Join War: Underworld

[Scaredgirl]

ETA - okay did the math and actually the least amount of average number of cards each team will have at the start of round 5 will be 354.25 barring penalties. So actually you guys are in a bit of a hole. If you guys/gals weren't limited to max 3 copies of cards the decks you all could make would be pretty sick.

How did you do this math because mine is different? I might have made an error but here's what I got:


The average starting Vault size (assuming all Propaganda Topics are legit) is 446 cards.

A team that wins 5 and loses 4 duels during each of the first 4 rounds, will have a total of 306 cards in their Vault.
A team that wins 4 and loses 5 duels during each of the first 4 rounds, will have a total of 242 cards in their Vault.

Looking at those numbers, Team Underworld is basically a team that had a slightly below average performance (16 wins, 20 losses) during the first 4 rounds.

But there is more to this story. Here are the advantages Team Underworld has:
- other teams take penalties (especially the "no salvaging penalty for substituting), making the above numbers even smaller
- Team Underworld starts with a "fresh" Vault of 240 cards, as opposed to slightly "broken" Vaults of its opponents
- Team Underworld has a 4 rounds worth of intelligence on what cards the other teams have before they built their own Vault
- Team Underworld knows for a fact that at least 50% of the cards used by their opponents come from a specific element, while they themselves can use whatever cards they want

Their biggest disadvantage by far is the fact that they have to use 30 cards decks during their first round. I don't think they have any other major disadvantages which is why I think 240 is a good number. I'd rather give them too few cards than too many. After all, they are supposed to be the underdogs here, only able to win with tons of skill and tons of luck.


Feel free to point out if my numbers are false.

*underworld logo*

Lemme help

ffff, crappy borders.

blank mark by Bloodshadow.


Good luck underworld, you better be ready :b

We are actually going to have an art competition about this Team Underworld icon. I was supposed to start it last night but I couldn't find the blank mark graphics by Bloodshadow. If someone has the link, please give it to me so I don't have to go dig deeper. Thanks.

You should submit your suggestion to that competition, asymmetry. The community will vote for the winner, which will then be made the official Team Underworld icon that will be used in the event.

[Malduk]

Heh, I'm a huge fan of Haggard, and listening to one of their most epic songs "Awaking the Centuries" today, I realized it has most elements mentioned in there.

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Could be used as Underworld war song

Awaking the Centuries

In the books of what will be
Written by the demon lord?
Never lift your head up to the east
'cause darkness wakes the beast! 

Der Kerzen Schein
[The candles' light 
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Als das Sonnenlicht er stahl
[When He stole the sunlight]
Und nur das grosse Himmelszelt
[And only the great sky's tent] 
Bezeugt das Ende dieser Welt
[Is witness to the end of this world]

So feed the spark 
Welcome to the land of dark 
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind   
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land 
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The knowledge, brought to the world
Is growing with a bitter taste
In a dream I saw things that will be
Centuries away (obvious precog )

Des Mondes Schein
[The moon's glow]
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Das Herz der Finsternis er stahl
[He stole the Heart of Darkness]
Nun glei�end Lichte ihn umgibt
[Now glistening light surrounds him] 
Und doch des Menschen Hoffnung siegt...?
[And so Man's hope prevails?]

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The night when evil steps out of the dark
And the cross is rising again
And fires are keeping the light   
Burn, my friend... (REVENGE on masters!)

And the sign of humanity is burning tonight
I can't escape from this ritual silence
Humanity's burning tonight

When I open my eyes
I see soldiers in the fields
Dead bodies on the ground
There are children inbetween
Explosions shock the land
And the evil shows its face
The one called Hister rises
This is the fall of grace...

Beast ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers (beast is obviously an Oty)   
The greater part of the region will be against the Hister
The great one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage
When the German child will observe nothing

In the books of what will be
Written by the demon lord?
Never lift your head up to the east
'cause darkness wakes the best!

Der Kerzen Schein
[The candle light]
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Als das Sonnenlicht er stahl
[When He stole the sunlight]
Und nur das grosse Himmelszelt
[And only the great sky's tent]
Bezeugt das Ende dieser Welt
[Is witness to the end of this world]

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The knowledge, brought to the world
Is growing with a bitter taste
In a dream I saw things that will be
Centuries away

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land

Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

And the sign of humanity is burning tonight
I can't escape from this ritual silence
Humanity's burning tonight

[5pla5h]

Heh, I'm a huge fan of Haggard, and listening to one of their most epic songs "Awaking the Centuries" today, I realized it has most elements mentioned in there.

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Could be used as Underworld war song

Awaking the Centuries

In the books of what will be
Written by the demon lord?
Never lift your head up to the east
'cause darkness wakes the beast! 

Der Kerzen Schein
[The candles' light 
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Als das Sonnenlicht er stahl
[When He stole the sunlight]
Und nur das grosse Himmelszelt
[And only the great sky's tent] 
Bezeugt das Ende dieser Welt
[Is witness to the end of this world]

So feed the spark 
Welcome to the land of dark 
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind   
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land 
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The knowledge, brought to the world
Is growing with a bitter taste
In a dream I saw things that will be
Centuries away (obvious precog )

Des Mondes Schein
[The moon's glow]
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Das Herz der Finsternis er stahl
[He stole the Heart of Darkness]
Nun glei�end Lichte ihn umgibt
[Now glistening light surrounds him] 
Und doch des Menschen Hoffnung siegt...?
[And so Man's hope prevails?]

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The night when evil steps out of the dark
And the cross is rising again
And fires are keeping the light   
Burn, my friend... (REVENGE on masters!)

And the sign of humanity is burning tonight
I can't escape from this ritual silence
Humanity's burning tonight

When I open my eyes
I see soldiers in the fields
Dead bodies on the ground
There are children inbetween
Explosions shock the land
And the evil shows its face
The one called Hister rises
This is the fall of grace...

Beast ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers (beast is obviously an Oty)   
The greater part of the region will be against the Hister
The great one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage
When the German child will observe nothing

In the books of what will be
Written by the demon lord?
Never lift your head up to the east
'cause darkness wakes the best!

Der Kerzen Schein
[The candle light]
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Als das Sonnenlicht er stahl
[When He stole the sunlight]
Und nur das grosse Himmelszelt
[And only the great sky's tent]
Bezeugt das Ende dieser Welt
[Is witness to the end of this world]

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The knowledge, brought to the world
Is growing with a bitter taste
In a dream I saw things that will be
Centuries away

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land

Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

And the sign of humanity is burning tonight
I can't escape from this ritual silence
Humanity's burning tonight

i put the quote in a spoiler thing for people who dont wanna see it
i think you missed three:

"Des Mondes Schein
[The moon's glow]"
oh no its nightfall :O

"Explosions shock the land"
I'm sure Haggard means ---> "Explosions Deflags shock the land"

"Explosions Deflags shock the land"
deflag for PC shockwave for CC?


and one more thing i like the otyugh reference

[Eleniel]

Interesting, I would like to be added to the list.

Alright.. never mind, I did not participate in the war auction.

[MyNameIsJoey]

ETA - okay did the math and actually the least amount of average number of cards each team will have at the start of round 5 will be 354.25 barring penalties. So actually you guys are in a bit of a hole. If you guys/gals weren't limited to max 3 copies of cards the decks you all could make would be pretty sick.

How did you do this math because mine is different? I might have made an error but here's what I got:


The average starting Vault size (assuming all Propaganda Topics are legit) is 446 cards.

A team that wins 5 and loses 4 duels during each of the first 4 rounds, will have a total of 306 cards in their Vault.
A team that wins 4 and loses 5 duels during each of the first 4 rounds, will have a total of 242 cards in their Vault.

Looking at those numbers, Team Underworld is basically a team that had a slightly below average performance (16 wins, 20 losses) during the first 4 rounds.

But there is more to this story. Here are the advantages Team Underworld has:
- other teams take penalties (especially the "no salvaging penalty for substituting), making the above numbers even smaller
- Team Underworld starts with a "fresh" Vault of 240 cards, as opposed to slightly "broken" Vaults of its opponents
- Team Underworld has a 4 rounds worth of intelligence on what cards the other teams have before they built their own Vault
- Team Underworld knows for a fact that at least 50% of the cards used by their opponents come from a specific element, while they themselves can use whatever cards they want

Their biggest disadvantage by far is the fact that they have to use 30 cards decks during their first round. I don't think they have any other major disadvantages which is why I think 240 is a good number. I'd rather give them too few cards than too many. After all, they are supposed to be the underdogs here, only able to win with tons of skill and tons of luck.


Feel free to point out if my numbers are false.

Another major disadvantage is being to use a card only 3 times in a deck

and also, wouldnt it be possible to have just a little more cards than the minimum for 8 decks? because then for the cards in the vault will obligatedly be the 8 decks we use round 1, so we cant have any for decks we might want to build after? my thinking of it might be wrong, but thats how i see it ... how about more around 250-270?

[MyNameIsJoey]

Heh, I'm a huge fan of Haggard, and listening to one of their most epic songs "Awaking the Centuries" today, I realized it has most elements mentioned in there.

(

)
Could be used as Underworld war song

Awaking the Centuries

In the books of what will be
Written by the demon lord?
Never lift your head up to the east
'cause darkness wakes the beast! 

Der Kerzen Schein
[The candles' light 
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Als das Sonnenlicht er stahl
[When He stole the sunlight]
Und nur das grosse Himmelszelt
[And only the great sky's tent] 
Bezeugt das Ende dieser Welt
[Is witness to the end of this world]

So feed the spark 
Welcome to the land of dark 
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind   
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land 
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The knowledge, brought to the world
Is growing with a bitter taste
In a dream I saw things that will be
Centuries away (obvious precog )

Des Mondes Schein
[The moon's glow]
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Das Herz der Finsternis er stahl
[He stole the Heart of Darkness]
Nun glei�end Lichte ihn umgibt
[Now glistening light surrounds him] 
Und doch des Menschen Hoffnung siegt...?
[And so Man's hope prevails?]

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The night when evil steps out of the dark
And the cross is rising again
And fires are keeping the light   
Burn, my friend... (REVENGE on masters!)

And the sign of humanity is burning tonight
I can't escape from this ritual silence
Humanity's burning tonight

When I open my eyes
I see soldiers in the fields
Dead bodies on the ground
There are children inbetween
Explosions shock the land
And the evil shows its face
The one called Hister rises
This is the fall of grace...

Beast ferocious from hunger will swim across rivers (beast is obviously an Oty)   
The greater part of the region will be against the Hister
The great one will cause it to be dragged in an iron cage
When the German child will observe nothing

In the books of what will be
Written by the demon lord?
Never lift your head up to the east
'cause darkness wakes the best!

Der Kerzen Schein
[The candle light]
Er leuchtet fahl
[Is palely shining]
Als das Sonnenlicht er stahl
[When He stole the sunlight]
Und nur das grosse Himmelszelt
[And only the great sky's tent]
Bezeugt das Ende dieser Welt
[Is witness to the end of this world]

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

The knowledge, brought to the world
Is growing with a bitter taste
In a dream I saw things that will be
Centuries away

So feed the spark
Welcome to the land of dark
Death in all the centuries is what I left behind
Take my hand
Forgotten in the promised land

Death in all the centuries is what I left behind

And the sign of humanity is burning tonight
I can't escape from this ritual silence
Humanity's burning tonight

[/quote]

your idea is great, im posting another one that could represent more *war-ish* than *element-ish*

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[GG]

Hi.

One of the members in Team Gravity dropped out, and I need a replacement AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.

The requirement is simple; you have posted in the war auction area and did not get chosen as a member.

Please post a brief statement here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14288.0.html) about your commitment and the link for the post in the war auction area.

Remember: I'm not looking for scores or experiences, as long as the score is 1k or above. What I'm looking for is steady commitment to the team until the event ends, because we're going to win.

[Gocubbies1212]

hey, im outta this tourny cuz u placed me in team aether.  (just noticed name wasnt removed yet).   

[MrBlonde]

How did you do this math because mine is different? I might have made an error but here's what I got:

I immediately have an error here because i did not include Propaganda topics cards. So that would add 13.5 cards to the average to put it at 367.75.

The way i calculated the numbers was the following (i did this very quickly as well so i probably made an error somewhere). Basically round 1 will have 54 total matches. 12 teams fight 9 times and since they fight each other it's basically 9*6=54. Now i already one error. There will be 27 wins and 27 losses so with the salvage bonus of 6 and losses counting as 6 cards it's a net loss of 0 cards total. Instead of 27 i used 26 though so i screwed that up. So the actual average should have been 351.25 and 364.75 adjusted for propaganda bonuses.

Round 2 using the same amount of matches there will be a net loss of 162 cards. (27 losses*12- 27 wins*6)
Round 3 using the same amount of matches there will be a net loss of 324 cards. (27 losses*18- 27 wins*6)
Round 4 using the same amount of matches there will be a net loss of 486 cards. (27 losses*24- 27 wins*6)

Total lost cards=972
Total starting cards=5187 (without propaganda bonuses)
Avg cards per team=351.25

Now this won't be accurate because some teams will not be having 9 matches every round which actually increases the minimum average amount of cards. This really was just a baseline.

ETA - OUCH! i see my error. it's not 27 losses and 27 wins. It's 54. I will fix this.

The actual average number will be 270.25 and 283.75 with the propagada bonus. 240 cards for the Underworld definitely seems in line now. Thanks for catching that SG.

[Demut]

I want to join a second time, so i can get my name up there twice.

[reberth]

Will the positions of battle be randomized? or will we be battling in the order of signup

[Scaredgirl]

How did you do this math because mine is different? I might have made an error but here's what I got:

I immediately have an error here because i did not include Propaganda topics cards. So that would add 13.5 cards to the average to put it at 367.75.

The way i calculated the numbers was the following (i did this very quickly as well so i probably made an error somewhere). Basically round 1 will have 54 total matches. 12 teams fight 9 times and since they fight each other it's basically 9*6=54. Now i already one error. There will be 27 wins and 27 losses so with the salvage bonus of 6 and losses counting as 6 cards it's a net loss of 0 cards total. Instead of 27 i used 26 though so i screwed that up. So the actual average should have been 351.25 and 364.75 adjusted for propaganda bonuses.

Round 2 using the same amount of matches there will be a net loss of 162 cards. (27 losses*12- 27 wins*6)
Round 3 using the same amount of matches there will be a net loss of 324 cards. (27 losses*18- 27 wins*6)
Round 4 using the same amount of matches there will be a net loss of 486 cards. (27 losses*24- 27 wins*6)

Total lost cards=972
Total starting cards=5187 (without propaganda bonuses)
Avg cards per team=351.25

Now this won't be accurate because some teams will not be having 9 matches every round which actually increases the minimum average amount of cards. This really was just a baseline.

ETA - OUCH! i see my error. it's not 27 losses and 27 wins. It's 54. I will fix this.

The actual average number will be 270.25 and 283.75 with the propagada bonus. 240 cards for the Underworld definitely seems in line now. Thanks for catching that SG.

Thanks for doing the exact numbers. Now we have the hard facts in case someone is interested about that 240 (for example when Team Underworld wins the whole event)

Will the positions of battle be randomized? or will we be battling in the order of signup

It's going to be random.