Event Cards (removed from the event)

[QuantumT]

Nothing. And that's what you all should have done. Instead, you decided to "boycott" an event. That could not be less mature or less productive (or less appropriate).

Yeah, heaven forbid we try and make things fair.

Players are in no position to take the rules into their own hands. And the "fairness" of an online card game doesn't merit extreme actions anyway.

It's not heaven that forbids a boycott: it's propriety and/or maturity.

I still don't see what's so terrible about playing the way that we want. If no one wants to play with the Age cards, we all boycott them. What's the problem?

And you should really stop with the name calling.

[PhantomFox]

The purpose of the boycott was simple.  If enough people didn't like the bonus, they'd ignore it.  Ignoring a bonus was within the rules of the game.  The boycotters felt that they'd rather take their chances on INTENTIONALLY taking an potential DISADVANTAGE in this round rather than participate in an event that could cause MORE drama than we have now.  A 'lesser of two evils' approach.  Or perhaps more along the lines of 'civil disobedience' 

[Memorystick]

The purpose of the boycott was simple.  If enough people didn't like the bonus, they'd ignore it.  Ignoring a bonus was within the rules of the game.  The boycotters felt that they'd rather take their chances on INTENTIONALLY taking an potential DISADVANTAGE in this round rather than participate in an event that could cause MORE drama than we have now.  A 'lesser of two evils' approach.  Or perhaps more along the lines of 'civil disobedience'

A rather loud civil disobedience 

[QuantumT]

The purpose of the boycott was simple.  If enough people didn't like the bonus, they'd ignore it.  Ignoring a bonus was within the rules of the game.  The boycotters felt that they'd rather take their chances on INTENTIONALLY taking an potential DISADVANTAGE in this round rather than participate in an event that could cause MORE drama than we have now.  A 'lesser of two evils' approach.  Or perhaps more along the lines of 'civil disobedience'

A rather loud civil disobedience 

Well civil disobedience is loud almost by definition.

[Xinef]

It's not heaven that forbids a boycott: it's propriety and/or maturity.

???

How maturity forbids a boycott?
Is complying with things you don't agree with more mature?

If something is in your opinion a problem, there are different solutions
- ignoring the problem
- trying to solve the problem with aggression and force
- trying to understand the problem better, checking if it is indeed a problem, discussing it, finding best solutions etc.
- trying to make other people see the problem and solve it together

etc.

I hope you see which ones are childish and which ones are mature. Yup, a lot of adult people use childish methods, but this doesn't change the fact that boycott is in most cases a mature decision.

[Sir Valimont]

I have removed this post until people's emotions on this issue die down a bit.

[TheCrazyMango]

everybody was complaining about having the cards, now they are gone. Now you complain about them being gone and the reasons that they were taken out. why doesnt everyone just shut up because whats done is done and we dont want SG to cancel the war.

[QuantumT]

The purpose of the boycott was simple.  If enough people didn't like the bonus, they'd ignore it.  Ignoring a bonus was within the rules of the game.  The boycotters felt that they'd rather take their chances on INTENTIONALLY taking an potential DISADVANTAGE in this round rather than participate in an event that could cause MORE drama than we have now.  A 'lesser of two evils' approach.  Or perhaps more along the lines of 'civil disobedience'

So let me get this straight.

You were so concerned about an event card that would at most cost your team one or two matches in this particular round of a virtual online card game's community event that you felt the need to start a boycott; and now in its defense you want to bring metaphors of civil rights campaigns, creating a parallel between racial segregation and kids who would rather force a "do-over" than be challenged.

Your delusional concepts of self-righteousness aside, at very least you should have had the maturity to handle this by at least attempting some kind of discussion before literally throwing the hundreds of hours of work of the organizers by the wayside and deciding you were going to play the game by your own rules. It is not particularly complicated to observe the basic tenets of forum propriety, yet you not only failed to do so but are now also trying to defend your actions with irrelevant and inapplicable connections to real-world concepts of oppression.

The name calling is really too much. Who's being childish now?

You need to realize that this is an online community for a video game. Therefore:

1) It is not your place to decide that a rule decided upon by the organizers is "unacceptable."

Why not? We're part of the community too. Doesn't our opinion matter?

2) You have no recourse that is "within the rules." What you incited was quite outside of the rules. In normal circumstances you would be banned from the event. Understandably so.

Deciding as a group to ignore the event cards is perfectly well within the rules. Show me where in the rules it says that it isn't.

3) Your feeling that the event is somehow "unfair" is actually less important than continuing to act in an appropriate fashion. Stirring up "rebellion" of any kind is not the latter at all in any context.

Our decision to ignore the event cards is acceptable, so this point is irrelevant.

4) This has nothing to do with civil rights and there is no righteousness on your side. Only self-importance and disrespect for the organizers. You are not a member of an oppressed mass; you are a gamer who is given the privilege of many hours of someone else's time to be here in this event. Rather than oppressing you, the organizers here actively engage the community for its input -- not because they have to but because they want to give as much to the community as they can. You are not fighting for something "greater." You are not Gandhi, you are not Rosa Parks. You are a kid playing an internet game. And all you are doing is screwing up a community event.

The only difference is a vast one in scale. And if the community thinks that the event card screws up the community event, doesn't that matter?

Let me give you an example of a another event card that would be unfair if it were instituted and would receive an even bigger backlash.

Will of the Gods- This round the victor of all matches is determined by a coin flip.

[Toimu13]

Wow, I thought event cards would be better than those.  66% are bias!  Sure it is random, but those are some crappy event cards.  I'm glade they are out.

[Xinef]

@Sir Valimont

If you accuse someone of not attempting discussion, you'd do better attempting discussion yourself.
Maybe it's just me, but IMHO your post mostly speaks about PhantomFox and other boycotters, not about their arguments.



I'll only address one matter, because QuantumT ninja'd most of it.

Computer game communities are in fact a 'simulation' or real life. Yes, a very rough simulation and with many fantasy/abstract/whatever aspects, but most of it relates to real life. For example leading a war team simulates leading a team in real life. Discussions on gaming forums simulate more serious discussions from real life. Discussing rules of a game or event simulates discussing rules and laws from the real world.
It's purpose is (IMHO) to learn how to handle such situations before you do it seriously in real life. Eg. you learn how to lead a team in a game, so that when you have to lead a team in your workplace you have some experience and know how to do it. You discuss rules in a game, so that when you get the opportunity to affect the real-life rules and laws you have some experience.

Otherwise games would be just a waste of time. And I HATE wasting of TIME

[willng3]

The purpose of the boycott was simple.  If enough people didn't like the bonus, they'd ignore it.  Ignoring a bonus was within the rules of the game.  The boycotters felt that they'd rather take their chances on INTENTIONALLY taking an potential DISADVANTAGE in this round rather than participate in an event that could cause MORE drama than we have now.  A 'lesser of two evils' approach.  Or perhaps more along the lines of 'civil disobedience'

So let me get this straight.

You were so concerned about an event card that would at most cost your team one or two matches in this particular round of a virtual online card game's community event that you felt the need to start a boycott; and now in its defense you want to bring metaphors of civil rights campaigns, creating a parallel between racial segregation and kids who would rather force a "do-over" than be challenged.

Your delusional concepts of self-righteousness aside, at very least you should have had the maturity to handle this by at least attempting some kind of discussion before literally throwing the hundreds of hours of work of the organizers by the wayside and deciding you were going to play the game by your own rules. It is not particularly complicated to observe the basic tenets of forum propriety, yet you not only failed to do so but are now also trying to defend your actions with irrelevant and inapplicable connections to real-world concepts of oppression.

You need to realize that this is an online community for a video game. Therefore:

1) It is not your place to decide that a rule decided upon by the organizers is "unacceptable."

2) You have no recourse that is "within the rules." What you incited was quite outside of the rules. In normal circumstances you would be banned from the event. Understandably so.

3) Your feeling that the event is somehow "unfair" is actually less important than continuing to act in an appropriate fashion. Stirring up "rebellion" of any kind is not the latter at all in any context.

4) This has nothing to do with civil rights and there is no righteousness on your side. Only self-importance and disrespect for the organizers. You are not a member of an oppressed mass; you are a gamer who is given the privilege of many hours of someone else's time to be here in this event. Rather than oppressing you, the organizers here actively engage the community for its input -- not because they have to but because they want to give as much to the community as they can. You are not fighting for something "greater." You are not Gandhi, you are not Rosa Parks. You are a kid playing an internet game. And all you are doing is screwing up a community event.

A word of advice / a reminder before you proceed any further:

Scaredgirl:  "This is the second time I see you on this forum having very strong opinion on something you don't even fully understand, and being disrespectful and condescending. I don't like that tone of yours, and if this kind of flaming continues, I will take action. Let me say that more clearly. If I see one more topic in War section, where you use the same highly disrespectful tone you've been using on this topic, you will be removed from this event. Period."

[MrBlonde]

I will accept the fact that you (Sir Valimont) believe me immature. I just did what i felt was right ethically. Yes this may have not been the right way to go and this probably put SG in a bad spot (which i am sorry about). I also decided unilaterally for my team that we would not partake in this so none of my team is responsible for this except for me.

In a game with small margins this event card in my mind was game breaking and unbalanced. I personally would not want this advantage late in the game and actually winning the War because of it. I would feel that the win would be tarnished. So I did what i personally thought was the right thing. As the Master of my element i made that decision.

I am sad to see the event cards go though but SG was put in a no win situation that i was a part of. Once again i'm sorry SG/warmasters as this was not my intent.

Sir Valimont - i don't believe your points are invalid. You may not have a lot of tact but you aren't wrong. I understand that this is an online community for a video game. I also understand this is JUST a game. But do realize that some of us aren't "kid's" playing a game and attacking people by calling them immature and screwing up an event is being dramatic.