Event Cards (removed from the event)

[Essence]

That was low, kobisjeruk.  Have some sensitivity -- SG deserves it.  She really is right in a lot of ways.

And SG, I never meant to say that you were attached to the cards -- I meant that, like any sane human, you become emotionally attached to anything that you put THAT MUCH work into.  It's unavoidable, and it sucks when it doesn't work out.  That's all.

[kobisjeruk]

low, how? i didnt mean anything 

forgive me if i misunderstood something (yeah i did)
first i thought the issue SG was talking about was ..this issue
and not his issue, specifically

i guess the bolded word can be construed as something...offensive (for lack of better word) even though i meant none of it
(hard to translate to english sometimes)

[Essence]

Ah, that's cool.  Mistranslation issues are always a pain in the butt.  No harm, then.

[QuantumT]

So everyone I had a thought about why this whole issue ended up getting blown out of proportion.

Generally, in real life, when something comes down from the powers that be that you disagree with a little bit (a law you didn't like gets passed, some politician you didn't like gets elected, banks CEOs give themselves a bonus after receiving a bailout, whatever), you complain just as a way of expressing your displeasure. When it's something you really don't agree with, you start to resort to extreme measures like civil disobedience. You do this in a manner that is as loud as possible (boycotts, huge group protest rallies, etc.) because anything less will be shoved off to the side and ignored. As such, these measures are completely acceptable.

However, in Elements things work a bit differently. All of the same dynamics are in play, but because the community is so much smaller, such measures aren't necessary to be heard. One thoughtful post on the right thread can have more effect in the Elements community than a local rally would have in real life. Because of this, more extreme measures such as the "public ignoring" (I still refuse to call it a boycott), as well as boycotts and the like will generally be unnecessary. They will still be acceptable in some situations, but it's important to remember that there are other things that can be done first.

In this situation, we need to remember that in this community, unlike in real life, we actually have a voice and will be heard.

I won't condemn the ignoring, as people just resorted to the lowest level of communication that is generally effective for getting change in real life.

Remember everyone, in Elements you have a voice!

[Jangoo]

This is really not going to become a thread about the event cards as such is it?   

[~Napalm]

I third the topic lock motion (unless somebody already has and I missed it )

But while it's not locked... I think that 1. The community overreacted(including me), and 2. Removing them entirely was a bit much. Having Event Cards was a great idea, it just needed 1 war for the idea to be refined, that's all.

[Memorystick]

I third the topic lock motion (unless somebody already has and I missed it )

But while it's not locked... I think that 1. The community overreacted(including me), and 2. Removing them entirely was a bit much. Having Event Cards was a great idea, it just needed 1 war for the idea to be refined, that's all.

Actually, it was seconded twice X3

Also- agreed, we all count have reacted better. Unfortunately, we didn't, and what's done is done.

[Daxx]

The other thread was locked because of the unacceptable amount of drama and internets grandstanding. Please don't make me do the same with this thread (and please don't shop arguments across threads once they are locked - topics are locked for a reason). Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but let's keep the discussion sensible and mature otherwise it will have to end.

Perhaps a more productive direction for this thread is Amilir's suggestion of discussing what Event Cards, if any, could be used for the next War based on our experiences with these.

[pepokish]

"The Gift" really grabbed my attention.  I think that could be a really fun way to shake things up a bit.  c:

I also really liked "Elemental Victory" and "Depletion Victory".  These really encourage teams to add a new focus to their deckbuilding strategies, keeping things a bit fresh.  I'd say "Flawless Victory" was quite a success this time around, as well.

[TimerClock14]

i liked 'flawless victory' it put on just a bit of extra pressure to cream your opponent . I really liked the ones that encouraged new deckbuilding strategies, like sacrificial altar, the gift, and the elemental mastery one. I think that the Age of <element> could be improved upon: They should apply to a specific member of the team or a certain amount of members on the team rather than everyone. The veil ones i'm on the fence about. I like the deckbuilding challenges, but (for lack of a better phrase) there is just something about them that I don't like.

[Scaredgirl]

Removing them entirely was a bit much.

I don't think so. If I hadn't done it, here's what we would have had to do:

1. I post a new Event Card.
2. I ask a approval from the players that this Event Card is included in the event.
3. We have a community-wide poll and a discussion that lasts for 2 days.
4. If the card gets a "NO", it gets discarded. If the card gets a "YES", the matter is moved to The Official Elements Community Event Card Approval Committee (consists of Generals and 12 randomly selected players) private forum.
5. During the next 24 hours, The Official Elements Community Event Card Approval Committee has a chance to veto the decision and discard the card, because they know better then the organizers what the War event is all about.
6. If the Committee doesn't use its veto power, the card is included in the event.


There has already been many comments on how 50%+ of the Event Cards were evil (not just the "Age.." ones) and I have no doubt that the "this is unfair!", "boycott this card!", "I will quit!" comments would have started again. It's better to just get rid of them all. War #1 didn't have Event Cards and everything went much more smoothly.

I will now move this topic to War #2 archive.

[Hyroen]

It's still sad this had to happen, all this taught the community was complain and you shall receive.

I think that's how I trained my dog, now every time it slaps me I'm glad to give it a dog biscuit.