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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg541767#msg541767
« Reply #60 on: September 14, 2012, 02:02:30 am »
Very good advice indeed. Now my card pile keeps growing taller and taller. When i need something i usually don't have the need to vist the bazaar anymore õ/
Because of this the whole game became more exciting, everytime i want to try something different i just do! Its so awesome, thanks for this thread kev!

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1003225#msg1003225
« Reply #61 on: September 27, 2012, 05:47:33 pm »
Selling your first few newbie cards is fine right, if you just do it to finish up your first proper deck.

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1003227#msg1003227
« Reply #62 on: September 27, 2012, 05:56:23 pm »
Selling unupgraded cards is almost always fine, if you have a purpose for the electrum, if you're just stockpiling electrum, you shouldn't be selling any cards.
Protip: read the tip of the year (that's probably been there for many years)

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Your deck can have a minimum of 30 cards; manage your deck and customize it as soon as possible, get rid of some of the cards you do not like/use and sell them. This way you can instantly have a better deck and some coins."

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004323#msg1004323
« Reply #63 on: October 01, 2012, 05:50:45 pm »
A little while ago an experienced, well known player asked chat which cards he should upgrade next.  He'd built up some excess electrum and was looking for some versatile cards to spend it on.  He told chat that he usually tried to stay below 2k electrum... which floored me.  Newer players often ask either the same question or questions about when to sell cards, so I thought it'd be worth writing a post on the subject of money management.

First let me say that there's nothing wrong with however you want to invest your hard earned electrum.  This game is for fun, and nobody should be able to tell you that buying a life-size stormtrooper replica  is wrong if you really enjoy life-size stormtrooper replicas.  But for players who want to accumulate wealth quickly there are two rules of thumb.

Please note that it has historically been very important to get a fully upped AI3/t50 grinder and a fully upped FG Grinder.  To reach these goals you probably shouldn’t feel bad about selling currently useless upgrades to up cards and make the decks you grind with more effective.  After that point, though, you enter a wealth accumulation phase.

Rule of Thumb Number One: Never sell upgraded cards unless you have more than six copies, and never sell unupgraded cards unless you have over 12 copies total (unupped and upped).


Suppose you’re accumulating wealth and you decide you’ll never play with Aether cards, so you sell them all.  If down the road you enter a PvP Event or a Tournament which requires Aether cards, you’ve paying about a 40% markup over each card you sold.  And the waste adds up quickly.

Why six and twelve?  Because the most copies you can have in a deck are six and you can’t unupgrade cards, having over six upgraded copies is superfluous.  At the same time having ten unupped Flying Weapons and two upped Animate Weapons available means you can upgrade an additional four if you need to and still hold six unupped copies.  If you win an additional upgraded copy you can sell an unupped copy and still be positioned ideally.

Selling cards is particularly heinous with rare cards that can’t be bought.  If you sell your Tridents and tomorrow someone creates a new FG deck using the card, you simply can’t make the deck until you find more Tridents.  That goes double for nymphs which can only be given by the Oracle or as rewards for Tournaments and Leagues.  Resist the temptation. :)
 
Rule of Thumb Number Two: Never buy or upgrade cards unless it's necessary.
Suppose you’re accumulating wealth, you've now come into 9k, and you're considering upping six Flying Weapons because you think you'd like to play a Flying Titan deck down the road.  If you upgrade them for 1500 each and then win upped Animate Weapons before you need them for your deck idea, you'll sell excess copies for 1157 each.  Which means you've thrown 1500 - 1157 = 343 electrum in the garbage for each.  And the waste adds up quickly.

A number of players buy all unupped non-rare cards as soon as possible.  I agree it'd be nice not to have to click over to the bazaar whenever I'm missing a card I need but you have to recognize that you're paying a substantial convenience charge.  For each unupped card you buy, later win, and sell the excess copy, you spent about 40% more for that card than you needed to.  And the waste adds up quickly.

Another important reason not to upgrade cards without reason is that having electrum on hand gives you versatility if you suddenly need something.  Put another way, if you have 45,000 electrum, you have enough dry powder to use any fully upgraded 30-card deck you'd like.  By not upgrading cards you effectively have access to all upgraded cards should the need arise.

In conclusion too many players complain about FG grinding and then turn around and throw electrum away by buying, selling, and upgrading cards unnecessarily.  Many veterans follow the above rules of thumb; I know of one who currently has 500,000 spare electrum and fewer unupped cards than upped cards.  Follow the above rules of thumb to maximize your deckbuilding options.


I'll play for 6 month but I have much problems to get money. Beating level 3 make me only 17-20 coin and i can understand how to get 1500 coin
help me plz

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004374#msg1004374
« Reply #64 on: October 02, 2012, 12:19:31 am »
Start grinding arena or false gods for money.

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004395#msg1004395
« Reply #65 on: October 02, 2012, 02:18:04 am »
Until you have the card base to use, going for FG's or Arena (that's worth any $$) will not be worth it... Do some time in AI3 and you will gain cards and electrum. I constructed and Upped a RoL/Hope Deck from a few weeks of solid AI3 grinding... no need to hurry, enjoy the game and learn. Otherwise you're gonna be selling cards to construct a deck (unupped) that has a terrible win % and just get more frustrated...

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004533#msg1004533
« Reply #66 on: October 02, 2012, 05:34:27 pm »
Until you have the card base to use, going for FG's or Arena (that's worth any $$) will not be worth it... Do some time in AI3 and you will gain cards and electrum. I constructed and Upped a RoL/Hope Deck from a few weeks of solid AI3 grinding... no need to hurry, enjoy the game and learn. Otherwise you're gonna be selling cards to construct a deck (unupped) that has a terrible win % and just get more frustrated...
really tnx, i'll try it. But, 1 other questions, what is AI3??

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004550#msg1004550
« Reply #67 on: October 02, 2012, 06:42:30 pm »
really tnx, i'll try it. But, 1 other questions, what is AI3??


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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004559#msg1004559
« Reply #68 on: October 02, 2012, 07:38:31 pm »
oh...tnx
U have 32k money omg

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004803#msg1004803
« Reply #69 on: October 03, 2012, 06:53:47 pm »
and sorry, 1 other questions: how i can get Shard card?

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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004815#msg1004815
« Reply #70 on: October 03, 2012, 07:39:04 pm »
You can get shards and other rare cards in spins. AI3 will occasionally have rare weapons in their decks that you can win, but I don't think they have shards. The best way to get shards and rares is to make a deck capable of defeating bronze league.

If you JUST started playing though, your goal for now should be grinding AI3 for more cards and money, which you won't get a lot of in the bronze arena.
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Re: Money Management https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=27551.msg1004826#msg1004826
« Reply #71 on: October 03, 2012, 08:10:21 pm »
tnx for patient =)

 

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