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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg453640#msg453640
« Reply #12 on: January 28, 2012, 01:39:52 am »
A fun option would be to turn the deck into an OTK.

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(killing hand is the plate armor, the holy light, the 2 rage elixirs, the 4 twin universe, you need to have used immolation for fire quanta before, the last turn cast plate armor on a doll add rage elixirs and holy light and copy 4 times)

It's only working against 110 hp or less opponents sadly - 170 if unprotected-, and all those cards you have to keep may ruin the fractals.

* plate armor is for otk flavor, allowing to use it before the 7 other cards without dealing dammage, a blessing can be used if you don't mind dealing 3 dammage before the last turn

ps : it's not really a working deck just a fun idea I only could pull the combo once in 5 or 6 ai3 tests due to fractals being spoiled by those cards or being forced to discard before end (also if you draw immolation the last you're screwed). But it's fun to try.
pps : just realized, the idea can work with lightnings instead of rage potions (against 100 hp opponents only)
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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg453735#msg453735
« Reply #13 on: January 28, 2012, 06:22:54 am »
I just realized... how are you going to power the luciferins in the first deck?
Luci costs other quanta, thankfully :)
RIGHT! I forgot about that.  Thanks! :)

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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg453742#msg453742
« Reply #14 on: January 28, 2012, 06:34:48 am »
Nice one. The weakness VS CC in RoL hope is nullified while its defensiveness remains.

Mindgate for late-game damage is too slow though. Like people said before, replace those with a light hard-hitter for fractalling like dragons or archangels would do.
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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg453888#msg453888
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2012, 01:00:26 pm »
I have some experience in unupped Voodoo Doll OTK if you wanna see other strategies, you can see some of my decks: Dazzling Dolls (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35597.msg478781#msg478781) and The Puppeteer (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35596) !
Far better than mine (but as hard to mix with a fractal deck).

Abandonning the otk idea, another possibility to do dammage is to make the deck a quartet with a little gravity splash.

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(here I included the option to copy an overdrived doll or quint her if the opponent risk to have a parallel universe, and a miracle to use the light quanta, but these cards can be removed to have less risk of spoiling the first fractal)


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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg454471#msg454471
« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2012, 06:50:38 pm »
I made this one after getting frustrated by losses to the many cc decks out there that shred ROL-Hope decks... It definitely could use work, but the concept is fun.
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Strategy is simple, spam voodoo dolls w/ fractal, use luciferin to make them buff Hope. Unlike photons and fireflies, they are nigh impossible to kill. Then just sit back and use mindgate to kill the opponent with their own deck. Steal any pesky lobotomizers (out of luck on mindflayers or mutators though)
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i love the deck, it makes use of the deffensive abilities of the voodoo doll together with hope making it a deadly shield, if you wanna pass it by killing the doll you will hurt yourself.
but the deck is lacking damage, voodoo dolls with only 1 attack from nightfall are stopped to easily and the damage potential is very low. mindgates are to risky to use, as PC can take them out and you gotta be very lucky at getting the right cards and quanta from the opponent to actualy use them so i don't think you have a good source of damage and there are a few ways to fix this.

the old pestal trick, add a couple of minor vamps to fractal them once you got a shield for solid 3 damage each. you can get 2 or 3 phase dragons as a hard punch while you are still immune to creature control while you deal medium damage each turn. last of all you can get crusaders or light dragons to fractal them late game, crusaders are a bit cheaper and get damage trough your (or the opponent's) weapon while dragons have a solid 10/10 and you can use luciferin on them to to get more light quanta, but i don't think you're able to get many of them as they're expensive and you gotta time your luciferins well.

i'd say get the phase dragons, because of their immortality the opponent will have to save his cc for your dolls (if he takes the risk to use them) while your damage output will get way better if you manage to get them out.
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i took out the miracle for a hope, why? once you have a strong hope out with dolls you won't get killed but it'll be easy for the opponent to kill you when you don't have a shield ;)
if you decide on upgrading i'd say start with nightfall for eclipse, then the dragons and then the rest.
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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg454476#msg454476
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2012, 06:56:29 pm »
Maybe we finally get a use for Shard of PatheticPatience :)
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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg454478#msg454478
« Reply #18 on: January 29, 2012, 07:00:01 pm »
Maybe we finally get a use for Shard of PatheticPatience :)
Does the delay on voodoo dolls stack on the opponent's weapon? If yes...  :-X
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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg454482#msg454482
« Reply #19 on: January 29, 2012, 07:04:36 pm »
Maybe we finally get a use for Shard of PatheticPatience :)
Does the delay on voodoo dolls stack on the opponent's weapon? If yes...  :-X
Nope, tested it myself to make sure there wasn't a bug.  It makes sense given that SoP only delays for 1 turn no matter how times it's used.
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Re: Voodoo Hope https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=35949.msg454489#msg454489
« Reply #20 on: January 29, 2012, 07:17:13 pm »
Maybe we finally get a use for Shard of PatheticPatience :)
Does the delay on voodoo dolls stack on the opponent's weapon? If yes...  :-X
That would be awsome, but would be a bug because the oponent won't be fwwling the same as the doll.
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