Post by: GG on December 21, 2010, 05:02:17 am
Tweaked the deck around a bit and it became an amazing AI3 EM grinder.
Animate the Vampire Daggers, bless them a bit, then endow. Crusaders take the attack of the weapon's CURRENT attack, meaning the buff by blessing effectively doubles.
Preliminary testing results:
Games : 50
Loss : 2
EM : 41 (much, much higher percentage than Mono Life)
Average ttw : 7.54 (little slower than mono life)
Average time per duel : 72.48 seconds
Especially because the new AI3s have many controls, this deck could be a better EM grinder since the creatures are pretty buff naturally (Crusaders 5 HP) and Blessings make them buff even more.
Post by: Cynxos on December 21, 2010, 06:26:57 am
But overall, life losing speed em for light/darkness seemes a bit wrong.
Post by: grindpower on December 25, 2010, 08:16:54 pm
Post by: frlaa on December 25, 2010, 09:05:39 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on December 25, 2010, 09:15:34 pm
Post by: GG on December 25, 2010, 09:49:08 pm
I already see T50 using this deck... Could this deck work unupped?I think so. The vampire creatures with huge attack power are enough to let you survive for quite long.
Vampire Daggers cost 1 :darkness unupgraded, thus you may be able to bring them out faster.
Post by: Tea is good on December 26, 2010, 01:16:58 am
Post by: Mithcairion on December 26, 2010, 03:27:40 am
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Post by: BC on December 26, 2010, 04:07:41 am
Post by: funplay on December 26, 2010, 01:45:11 pm
I played some rounds with both versions (didnt keep exact stats, though) and here are my results:
unupped version:
- works out quite ok against AI3, but its quite slow with ttw around 10-13...EM happens, but not VERY often, as the AI has enough time to setup proper countermeasures...e.g. u lost that much life, that your final blow wont bring you back to 100
- quite vulnerable to creature control and especially shields
upped version: as there is already a ttw study for AI3, i tried facing AI5, with good results.
- deck is very vulnerable to entropy decks...maxwell and antimatter really hurt this deck!
- good shields are a major problem...
- you have quite often some quanta issues:
-> way too much darkness quanta late game, sometimes a bit few light quanta against faster decks.
I therefore tried some minor tweaks:
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-1 light tower, +1 solar buckler: as i mentioned the lacking light quanta at the beginning, this might look strange, but solar buckler actually speeds this deck up against other decks with some creatures AND the 1 dam reduction helps against a lot of small creatures....the mulligan rules still give you often enough 2-3 light towers.
-1 crusader, +1 improved steal: enemies shields are the biggest problem
an additional crusader is useless against any kind of real stall like permafrost, dimshield, dissipation shield or lobo..-but this bit of PC actualy won some games i would have lost otherwise...this change slows this deck a bit down, but improves the winnig rate of this deck
Post by: lukce on December 30, 2010, 06:08:10 pm
Post by: Kurohami on December 31, 2010, 03:28:36 am
Post by: Pwnator on December 31, 2010, 04:55:40 am
The greatest weakness of this deck is.......... antimater. This deck has the awesome ability to field nice and large creatures that vamps, which are the absolute perfect targets for antimatter. CCYB just had to pack 2 of them all the time, making this a less awesome top50 grinder than it should be.Improved Blessings can be used defensively against this, although this isn't exactly economical.
Post by: lukce on December 31, 2010, 09:22:15 am
Post by: jmdt on December 31, 2010, 09:24:36 am
Post by: SpikeSpiegel on December 31, 2010, 04:49:13 pm
This deck is evil...i'm pretty scared to find it in next CL...
:o
Post by: tinkady on January 03, 2011, 09:57:21 pm
Post by: Nadrin on January 05, 2011, 01:15:24 pm
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Faster dagger out, less Paradox's by Maxwell's Demon. Fun deck :D
Post by: nilsieboy on January 05, 2011, 01:25:38 pm
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My tweaked version.
Faster dagger out, less Paradox's by Maxwell's Demon. Fun deck :D
Post by: lukce on January 05, 2011, 02:19:28 pm
Post by: Nadrin on January 05, 2011, 09:27:30 pm
Post by: dingo on January 06, 2011, 07:36:59 pm
Post by: Nadrin on January 06, 2011, 09:56:32 pm
This deck is interesting, but it only seems to work against rush decks. It is slow to get going so I lost 8 out of 10 matches against standard Bow decks in the top 50.Dingo, are you playing this upgraded or unupgraded?
Second, it's for AI3 or AI5.
Post by: tinkady on January 07, 2011, 02:50:47 am
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I find a good trick to increase chance of EM is to stack all the blessings on the crusader that attacks first, because (for example) if youre at 80 and the opponent is at 1, the only way you'll EM is if your first attacker does 20 damage
Post by: wavedash on January 08, 2011, 12:52:34 am
Post by: Fan of Rainbows on January 09, 2011, 05:56:56 pm
I'll appreciate any answers.
FoR
Post by: tinkady on January 09, 2011, 10:11:18 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on January 09, 2011, 10:40:19 pm
Post by: TheIdioticIdiot on January 09, 2011, 11:29:38 pm
First upgrades should always be animate weapons.he was asking what upgrades AFTER the animates
blessings, that one :light is quite important
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on January 09, 2011, 11:36:10 pm
Post by: GG on February 08, 2011, 03:19:04 pm
0.o my bad... Perhaps Crusaders after the Animate weaponsEither Crusaders or :light Towers. Taking out crusaders fast is the key to playing this deck effectively.
Post by: Funkyvenom on February 09, 2011, 02:19:17 pm
Post by: Mithcairion on February 09, 2011, 03:01:54 pm
If I use mark of air, 4 stilettos, 4 flying weapons, and dark pillars to replace the pendulums and fill in the empty spots would it work? I am trying to see how it would work totally unupped.I have messed around a lot with this deck unupped and I can tell you that, while somewhat effective, it is much more unstable than the upped counterpart. Simply having to run three elements makes the deck so much more unreliable. While it can still net you some impressive wins, I would strongly recommend upping the Animate Weapons before trying to do too much with this deck. In an unupped environment, I can't tell you how many times I would be sitting with Stilettos in my hand and no :darkness quanta, or Flying Weapons in my hand with no :air quanta.
If you run an air (or darkness) mark you will end up with a ton of unused quanta. In addition to this, keep in mind that a Crusader requires 8 :light to play and then activate, so you need the constant influx of :light quanta provided by your mark.
By all means, play around with it, I'm just relating what conclusions I have come to through messing around with this deck unupped.
Post by: coinich on February 09, 2011, 03:11:59 pm
Post by: grindpower on March 06, 2011, 11:10:09 am
Post by: Funkyvenom on March 06, 2011, 01:09:25 pm
How good would it be with Druidic Staffs instead of daggers and with mark of life?Blessings would not increase the healing of the staffs and that is kind of the point.
Post by: llT3CHGoDzll on April 18, 2011, 10:43:44 am
Post by: vidurkhanna on April 18, 2011, 11:25:33 am
wat a deck!! :D
Post by: johannhowitzer on April 18, 2011, 11:35:02 am
Eternity is the single most powerful card against this deck, though; it wrecks blessings, flown daggers, and reverses endow all in one. The only thing it can't do is oust a dagger in the weapon slot. Eternity may be an endow target, but it's vastly inferior to Vampire Dagger here, especially without the :time to support rewinding.
Post by: kaniXIII on April 22, 2011, 03:16:49 am
Post by: PhoenixFire on October 05, 2011, 06:17:47 pm
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on October 05, 2011, 07:30:47 pm
With T-50 gone, what's the easiest (or smartest way, I suppose) to grind for vamp. stilettos?Arena (though there is 1 ai3 with it but he only has 1 copy in 37 cards, so I wouldn't recommend it)
Post by: Tea is good on October 05, 2011, 10:35:09 pm
Post by: furballdn on October 06, 2011, 02:56:57 am
Vampire stiletto is one of the only rare weapons that I really want and don't have many copies of. I do grind the arena a lot, but most of the time I just end up with other rares. Just saying.With T-50 gone, what's the easiest (or smartest way, I suppose) to grind for vamp. stilettos?Arena (though there is 1 ai3 with it but he only has 1 copy in 37 cards, so I wouldn't recommend it)
This deck looks pretty neat, but if I want to grind towards it, I'm probably going to need 45k to build it up.
Post by: Acab Jef on May 05, 2013, 10:10:43 pm
if there is a new topic, just ignore me. i am new to the forums(with the comments, i am reading it for a year i think)
Post by: whateveruloveur on June 19, 2013, 03:33:39 am
I like it because it's relatively fast, and it's fun to play.
Of course, if you see Maxwell's Demon, you might as well run ;)
I changed it a little however, because I was finding shields to be a bit problematic. It can help with steals from the opponent as well.
Here's the one I've been using:
Post by: dawn to dusk on June 21, 2013, 11:23:13 am