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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg265060#msg265060
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2011, 11:33:26 pm »
Having much better success with the pendulum variant, but with entropy pends instead of fire pends. Can't believe I didn't tests it like that before, it's how I do the quanta for many of my own decks.
So you are using fire mark mark Im assuming? Ill be trying out a ton of varients lol. I need to get less busy so I can test all of this.
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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg265067#msg265067
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2011, 11:38:39 pm »
Having much better success with the pendulum variant, but with entropy pends instead of fire pends. Can't believe I didn't tests it like that before, it's how I do the quanta for many of my own decks.
So you are using fire mark mark Im assuming? Ill be trying out a ton of varients lol. I need to get less busy so I can test all of this.
Yeah fire mark. I find it best because I usually get quanta of both types on the first turn and still have the quanta production balanced.

Also gets EMs quite a bit, which is great. I'm convinced I just had horrible luck yesterday :)


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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266103#msg266103
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2011, 02:11:36 am »
Hmmm, I need to try the pendulum variant.

I had a rough time with Half Bloods and and getting the quanta before decking out so I modified the deck a little:
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Still had a rough time but decided I needed to work out some numbers.

With the above version I played 50 games against Half Bloods and 50 against the T50.

My results:

HB games played:   50
Half Blood wins:   19
Amount of EMs:     5
Unupped cards won: 2(both rare)
Upped cards won:   3

T50 games played:  50
Top 50 wins:       29
Amount of EMs:     16
Unupped cards won: 6(3 relics)
Rare  cards won:   13

The problems I encountered were:

Life and Light spell reflecting shields.
Discord/Pulverizer/Trident weapons - Either losing quanta, pillars, or my shield.
Explosions/Steals - Taking away my shield, lead to high amounts of incoming damage.
Mindgates/Catapults - Mindgates beat me at my own game, bolting me or reversing antimatters, catapults removed antimattered cards before I could really heal up.
Forest Spirits/Lava Destroyers/Steam Machines - Its hard to effectively use antimatters on them and tough to kill.
And then a couple times against Half Bloods I was just out rushed by a Life deck.  About 3 turns in and the AI had a mix of 6 or 7 frogs and cockatrice.

A bunch of my losses to half bloods were long games where I had tons of fire quanta saved up, around 150-160, both only 3 or 4 bolts and couldnt finish the AI off, if I had a Fahrenheit I'm sure I would have won those.

The spell reflect shields came up pretty often as well, but twice the AI changed them out!  That was so great, most times it didn't though.

I'd like to find a way to add in an Enchant Artifact, to keep my Fire Shield alive, and a Reflective Shield to drop in last second and get around the reflect of the AI, but I guess that means adding a Nova and either upping the Nova or the Enchant.  But I don't know what to switch those with, and I don't think I want to go too far over 30 cards.

I'm kinda stumped, but I feel that if I can keep the shield from being removed I could do a lot better, or if I ever get a Fahrenheit, protect that too, or instead.

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266173#msg266173
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2011, 03:35:14 am »
he Bolts are for direct attacks only. DON NOT attack the creatures with this unless its desperate and you are doing REALYL good on :fire Only use a maximum of 1 otherwise your success will be very small.
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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266200#msg266200
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2011, 04:26:57 am »
he Bolts are for direct attacks only. DON NOT attack the creatures with this unless its desperate and you are doing REALYL good on :fire Only use a maximum of 1 otherwise your success will be very small.
I have been saving them and following that rule.  But I either cant get enough time to build fire quanta, get stuck against a spell reflect shield, or get killed before enough firebolts come out.

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266429#msg266429
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2011, 05:39:36 pm »
Currently running the pendulum variant with +1 deflag +2 fahrenheit, works awesome :D

just didnt win a single card yet :(

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266510#msg266510
« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2011, 08:45:06 pm »
If you wanted to add rares the first thing that should pop up is a fahreneheit

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266687#msg266687
« Reply #19 on: February 08, 2011, 01:09:16 am »
If you wanted to add rares the first thing that should pop up is a fahreneheit

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266899#msg266899
« Reply #20 on: February 08, 2011, 07:09:19 am »
Hi,
I'm a newbie, and this deck is the most friendly that I found looking around the forum.
I added 2 Farenheits (my first rares  ;D) and 2 deflagration (to get rid of catapults and nasty weapons). The Farenheits are great, because you can start using fire bolts on critters in desperate situations.
Also, I'm using the Fire Pendulum version, but I'm still trying to balance the different elements because you often tend to have too much entropy toward the end game.

I have a great record with the deck, played a lot and won a couple of upgraded. The hardest seems to be the green rush when you have an unlucky draw (no anti-matter).

As I'm still new to the game, what cards in this deck would you upgrade to continue using it ? If a veteran could give quick directions with a suggested upgrade path, that would be great.

Anyway, excellent deck, thank you .

Edit : Here's a recent reward
(http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd137558/reward1) and another one : (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd137706/reward2)

Edit2 : Here's the actual deck, winning a lot of games, a lot of times master of the elements. The few losses are often due to a bad start or creatures overrun with no fire shield.
(http://helltgivre.free.fr/elements/?mark=4sj&deck=z64vnz45f0z65f4z25f5z35f6z25f7z95giz25gi6rn)

Edit3 : I've been playing a lot these last days. The main problems are as listed :
  • Combination of bad draw and fast AI start making it impossible to recover. Often true with red creatures, like 12/3 and 15/3 dragons out in first/second turn.
  • Discord. A first turn AI Discord combined with early creatures, not able to pull anything because of elements problems.
  • Untargettable creatures such as elite phase dragons with nothing else out (happened only once or twice)
  • Green deck healing the damage of the farenheit and having the jade shield out till the end
  • Early land destruction. Earthquakes, Quicksilvers and Trident with no deflag
  • Catapults ! :)

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg266912#msg266912
« Reply #21 on: February 08, 2011, 07:41:00 am »
I'm using the pendulum version now and it is better.

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg268213#msg268213
« Reply #22 on: February 10, 2011, 05:54:38 pm »
Im using this variation of the deck now. While it works quite well, im sure there is still room for improvement. Any hints on how i could improve this? And are there any upgrades that would significantly improve the deck? While i can afford 1 or 2 single upgrades, im not playing enough to just go and upgrade a full deck for like 5% more wins

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Re: The Newby Half Blood Farmer. Anti... Bolt? No Rares, No Upgrades https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20720.msg268491#msg268491
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2011, 12:51:28 am »
For upgrades I went for the shields first as it cuts 2 fire quanta out of each shield played.
 
Pillars and Pends could be another good place to start, giving you a little boost in quanta right off the bat.

 

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