The Greatest Defense [Against Plat] [Work in Progress]

[laxnut90]

My ultimate goal would be for this deck to farm the Platinum Arena.  I am trying to create a deck that can take advantage of both Dimensional Shield and Shard of Sacrifice.  Shard of Sacrifice is especially good against Mono-Air, Momentum creatures and Shard of Wisdom Decks.  Dimensional Shield is better against decks with Purify (obviously).  I believe that a deck containing both forms of defense will be that much stronger at the Platinum Arena level. 

This is what I have so far:

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5if 71u 71u 71u 71u 71u 71u 72i 72i 72i 72i 7hi 7hi 7hi 7i6 7i6 7i6 7i6 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80d 80m 80m 80m 80m 80m 80m 8pu

Here is a second attempt:

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744 744 744 744 744 744 74b 74b 74b 74d 74d 752 752 752 7gq 7hi 7hi 7hi 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7k0 7k0 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 7q9 8pp

[Keeps]

Interesting idea,
I've tried a lot of perfect defense combinations, they tend to be very fragile or don't work so well.

In your case for example, you wouldn't be guarding against Mono Air all that well, as it's the SoFr that makes it so powerful, and it'll by pass your shield,
You will start losing your other quanta to the SoSa I would imagine to make it practical. 

Mono-air, is beat really easy with simple control, be it PC, dials, or firestorms
Momentum is cancelled by your mind flayer
A Shard of Wisdom is stopped dead with reflect.

So instead,
  and with a touch of  and would give you similar results in a rainbow deck, but with a whole lot more options...
Kind of like this

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5if 5if 5if 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 74d 74d 74d 752 752 752 7ap 7h1 7hi 7hi 7hi 7i6 7i6 7i6 7k0 7k0 81q 81q 81q 8pl

You can grav pull a SoFo to block minor damage sources, use inundation and flayers and grav pull for CC, mirror for aether or simple small 1 hp block, dials to by you time and block heavy attacks, etc...


NOTE: I just kind of tossed that together, no testing, will need balanced...  just a suggestion on a different route to go.

[Higurashi]

You're -extremely- low on quanta and won't even need to face a denial deck to lose. Denial decks are the strongest right now, so expect to face them anyway.

Getting more will be the first of your worries because most decks don't care much about Dims at all in Plat. Of course, SoSa consumes all quanta, so you'd also need lots of if you want to survive after a SoSa. This is why upgraded Dials and SoD's off Light mark works so well with SoSa: you get a lot for very little to no quanta. Draw power, as well, works extremely well with SoSa.

Dims really don't do much in Plat, but if you absolutely want to stick with them, you reaaally need more quanta for both SoSa and Dims. For starters I would do -2 Salvagers, +2 Death pends. I don't think you need 4 Water pends, but adding an Aether tower gives you the risk of drawing only that. This means only Death pends would be optimal, but Death mark would be smarter because you don't need much ; you need reliable .

Death mark, Aether towers, 3 Water pends sounds more stable. I would still do -2 Salvagers because you really need more quanta. If you choose to fight battles where Dims are effective, you'll also find 30 cards is much too small since you can effectively stall for a minimum of 30 turns. In reality you can stall for more because SoSa heals you up and normally adds another turn of endurance. This gives you 36 turns of stall in a deck that only has 23 turns before it decks out and has vulnerable offence. The conclusion is that this tactic is better with more cards, but keep in mind all of this is only true against an opponent that Dims work against. That said, why would you pack Dims if you didn't count on them to be effective? ^^

[Calambar]

I'm so glad I don't need farming plat anymore 

[CrockettRocket]

out dated deck. sosac has been moved to its respected element.

[CuCN]

What? This topic was posted yesterday and it's outdated already?

[Rutarete]

out dated deck. sosac has been moved to its respected element.

I think you mistake the color of Other.

[Dm]

What? This topic was posted yesterday and it's outdated already?

In this capitalist world, nothing is made to last.

Let us move on, my friends. This deck is long due past it's expiration date.

This man had a dream, and it was crushed by the never-ending river of time.
May the winds of this experience blow a new page over this dusted chapter of our elemental lives.

Here Lies "The Greatest Defense", a Deck that had the Aether, Death, and Water elements.
November 16th, 2013,  02:50:15 A.M Greenwich Mean Time - November 16th,  04:46:58 P.M Greenwich Mean Time.

I bid thee farewell.

[Tsmuji]

In this capitalist world, nothing is made to last.

Let us move on, my friends. This deck is long due past its expiration date.

This man had a dream, and it was crushed by the never-ending river of time.
May the winds of this experience blow a new page over this dusted chapter of our elemental lives.

Here Lies "The Greatest Defense", a Deck that had the Aether, Death, and Water elements.
November 16th, 2013,  02:50:15 A.M Greenwich Mean Time - November 16th,  04:46:58 P.M Greenwich Mean Time.

I bid thee farewell.

A touching yet bittersweet obituary, your words move me. I shed a tear for the early loss of what looked to be a promising young deck.

[Keeps]

Some say it was a tragedy to die so young, others a blessing that it did not have to feel pain for long.

[laxnut90]

Spoiler for Hidden:

Interesting idea,
I've tried a lot of perfect defense combinations, they tend to be very fragile or don't work so well.

In your case for example, you wouldn't be guarding against Mono Air all that well, as it's the SoFr that makes it so powerful, and it'll by pass your shield,
You will start losing your other quanta to the SoSa I would imagine to make it practical. 

Mono-air, is beat really easy with simple control, be it PC, dials, or firestorms
Momentum is cancelled by your mind flayer
A Shard of Wisdom is stopped dead with reflect.

So instead,
  and with a touch of  and would give you similar results in a rainbow deck, but with a whole lot more options...
Kind of like this

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Deck import code : [Select]

4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5if 5if 5if 5rp 5rp 5rp 5rp 74d 74d 74d 752 752 752 7ap 7h1 7hi 7hi 7hi 7i6 7i6 7i6 7k0 7k0 81q 81q 81q 8pl

You can grav pull a SoFo to block minor damage sources, use inundation and flayers and grav pull for CC, mirror for aether or simple small 1 hp block, dials to by you time and block heavy attacks, etc...


NOTE: I just kind of tossed that together, no testing, will need balanced...  just a suggestion on a different route to go.

I think you are correct about countering the Shard of Wisdom decks.  It seems to me that the only defenses against them are Sundial, Mirror Shield, Shard of Sacrifice and Mass Healing decks. 

I was hoping that the Shard of Sacrifices would be enough to pull through against Mono Air and Shard of Wisdom decks.  Unfortunately, I tend to lose a lot more against these decks. 

Also, Higurashi is correct about the denial decks.  They have been killing me left and right.

I believe that the only way an ultimate defense deck can be made would be to involve Sanctuary and Mirror Shield.  The Gravity Pulled Shard of Focus idea might provide a counter to Mono-Air (by destroying any Shards of Freedom and absorbing damage).

I will keep trying to improve this deck.

[Higurashi]

The best counter to Monoair would be a combination of Pulvy, Oty, SoFo shield, healing and Firestorm (or AM if Dragons). You're gonna need to go timebow if you want the best possible defence, and that's perfectly viable for Plat. High winrate, slow speed. Dials are the best, cheapest most versatile option.