Post by: ilovecandy on March 30, 2011, 02:22:48 pm
I've come up with an air/aether/(entropy)-deck that doesn't rely on one or two combos to win but surprises with an incredible amount of card combinations that let you win, usually in turn 5-7, with some PvP matches even being won as soon as the 4th turn. :D
Key to the deck are Damselflys, Ball Lightnings, fractals, Parallel Universes and some Chaos Powers thrown in for extra fun, finishing off opponents with Sky Blitz even if they're at full health at turn 4-5. After having played 100+ matches with the deck, I find it has a winning chance of 80-90% (!) and commonly outrushes even Rainbow Rushes or fire bursts.
As I'm having a lot of fun with it (nothing beats finishing off an opponent when he's at 90 health and you're at 5), I thought I'd share it with you! :)
Possible win combinations:
- Fractal'ed and Skyblitz'ed Ball Lightnings - ouch.
- 3x Chaos Power on a Ball Lightning - clone, clone, boom.
- Elite Wyrm + Chaos Power -> Dive -> Clone -> possibly clone the stronger one again after diving next turn
- Armies of Fractal'ed Damselflies with a Skyblitz hurt. More than opponents expect.
- having a bad hand to start with? Chaos Power your 2 Damselflies. Win in 5 turns.
- only Ball Lightnings and Chaos Power in your hand? Fine - make it count, keep all of them alive and hit hard
- find yourself with too many air quanta? fractal the Elite Wyrm. Watch and giggle.
The deck suffers from an early Otyugh, although usually the little hungry monsters can't keep up with the flow of creatures before your opponent's dead. Also, Thunderstorm is bad, but not played by many anyway. Rain of Fire is annoying, but by then, your opponent is at half its health anyway. Apart from these 3 cards, quanta suckers can be very annoying, as I've build the deck to use only the bare minimum of quanta generating cards needed for a fast win.
Give it a try, enjoy the many combinations to their fullest, and let me know what you think! :) Possible improvements or tips by nice co-players are always welcome.
Have fun making the sky fall on your opponent's head! :)
Post by: Pineapple on March 30, 2011, 02:32:02 pm
I like the idea of combining decks (I've tried it unsuccessfully a few times) but one of the two reasons you should (other than the fun factor) would be because the new deck is more versatile than its predecessors.
Do you find this the case? Or, do you find that each game you're playing a single deck within that game, and that single deck for that game can always be countered and it's only a matter of luck?
Another reason would be because it actually makes the original deck better (it is consistently faster than the deck you're emulating with your 5 turn wins). Do your 5 turn wins always come from one combo? Could a deck based solely on that combo be consistently faster than the one you have here?
Just some questions for discussion.
Post by: ilovecandy on March 30, 2011, 02:40:32 pm
I've tried the 6 tower version and found it to be more reliable with an additional one.
yes, I do find the deck more versatile; I've tried out "purer" deck versions and have found them to be weak against a handful of particular decks; as losing just because your opponents plays deck X or Y is something I can't stand, I definitely prefer the versatility this deck combination is offering.
"other than the fun factor" - hey, the fun factor is a pretty big one in a game you're playing for fun, isn't it? :D
my 5 turn wins originate from any of the combos listed above, which I've found intriguing. Decks that rely on a quick single combo often are fast, but can be countered just as easily. And, it adds a lot of complexity if you actually have to check your cards the first 2 turns to figure out how to maximize the possible winning strategy this time. (which makes it a rewarding feeling to win with the deck, in my opinion)
Post by: ilovecandy on March 30, 2011, 03:25:39 pm
Post by: Jaxly on April 03, 2011, 06:50:31 pm
I'm not quite that eloquent but this is a brilliantly fun deck - even to play against!
It's fantastic to see new deck types in PvP - and even better when they utilize little used creatures to an actual positive effect.
I haven't the electrum to build this yet - but it's definitely a new target for me to grasp at.
Thanks for posting, ilovecandy!
Post by: ilovecandy on April 05, 2011, 07:10:18 pm
also, I've never gotten that many "wow, your deck looks fun!" posts and ingame messages from pvp opponents. looks like people like it - all of you that I've been playing against, thanks for the positive feedback!
Post by: ilovecandy on April 08, 2011, 05:45:19 pm
Post by: Kjaska on April 12, 2011, 03:12:28 pm
Post by: Newbiecake on April 12, 2011, 03:27:08 pm
Edit: I find that most often I lack :air to Sky Blitz, while diving with Wyrms out. So I've made the following changes:
-1 Blight
-1 Chaos Power
-1 Aether Tower
-3 Twin Universe
+1 Elite Wyrm
+2 Phase Shield
+2 Wind Tower
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6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 6u2 7ms 7ms 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mu 7mu 7n9 7n9 808 808 808 808 808 808 808 809 809 80d 80d 80i 80iA more defensive approach; let's you survive longer against rushes to get your combos out.
Post by: ilovecandy on April 12, 2011, 04:05:10 pm
adding lobo and/or fog shield instead of a PU might be worth a try. thanks for the idea! :)
Post by: Kjaska on April 12, 2011, 04:10:16 pm
I couldn't believe it, when I saw your nick in the game. This deck is so much fun :3
Post by: ilovecandy on April 12, 2011, 06:11:21 pm
Post by: Colossus on April 12, 2011, 06:22:38 pm
"other than the fun factor" - hey, the fun factor is a pretty big one in a game you're playing for fun, isn't it? :DIt's funny how many people forget this is a game and to have fun with it. Thanks candy, maybe more players will take that outlook also.
Deck looks fun, though I'd definitely add the fog shield or two and take something else out.
Post by: badivan1 on April 13, 2011, 04:45:46 am
Personally, I'd rather make a duo than a trio deck to get more consistent draws. Still, good job !
Post by: Newbiecake on April 13, 2011, 05:06:35 am
The deck is definitely fun. However, I'm worried about consistently getting good hands, although I would have to test it further to get a good feel of it.Because of the versatility of this deck, some of the inconsistent draws will still let you pull off at least 1 winning combo.
Personally, I'd rather make a duo than a trio deck to get more consistent draws. Still, good job !
Also, my first post was editted with my take on the deck.
Post by: ilovecandy on April 13, 2011, 04:46:37 pm
as for taking out the parallel universes - nah, I find them important for various on-the-fly clones and versatility. will try taking out one chaos power, though, might be 5 are enough. thanks for your ideas!
Post by: Kjaska on April 13, 2011, 05:21:06 pm
hey noobiecakes, I like your version, although for taking a more defensive approach I've been thinking about one or two Wing-shields - as in case of being stolen, I wouldn't even care, while aether shields are pain in the a** when stolen and really hurt this deck. what do you think?Have to agree on that. I got my Fog Shield stolen a couple of times, and it was a pita. I'll test Wings instead of Fog Shield. The Electrocutor I included hasn't proven it's worth for now.
Post by: nilsieboy on April 13, 2011, 05:24:52 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on April 13, 2011, 05:30:20 pm
i really love the deck, maybe add an eagle's eye or fog shield as some cc/defence?as both eagle's eye and fog shield are super-annoying when stolen, try Wings shield - keeps you from being hurt for 5 turns for just 3 air quanta, and IF it gets stolen, you just shrug and keep on winning. (eagle's eye also uses the scarce air quanta this deck provides, leaving none for further sky blitzes)
trying out going with a Wings shield right now. hasn't really been worth its salt so far, though. I usually ended up wishing I'd have had another chaos power before cloning instead. the deck isn't built for prolonged matches anyway. will keep testing :D
Post by: Toimu13 on April 14, 2011, 06:03:41 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on April 14, 2011, 08:03:06 pm
what are NM-decks? don't know that abbreviation, sorry
Post by: badivan1 on April 14, 2011, 08:27:49 pm
GotP-decks are annoying like hell. rewinds, aether shields, healing? good lord. best thing about these probably is that it's a clear outcome after 5 turns. either they're dead, or I'm, basically. ^^ if anything, this is as close to an anti-skyfall deck as it gets, I guess. ???I think NM = nightmare ? It makes sense with GotP.
what are NM-decks? don't know that abbreviation, sorry
Post by: Toimu13 on April 14, 2011, 08:29:17 pm
Correct, I was talking about decks that are:GotP-decks are annoying like hell. rewinds, aether shields, healing? good lord. best thing about these probably is that it's a clear outcome after 5 turns. either they're dead, or I'm, basically. ^^ if anything, this is as close to an anti-skyfall deck as it gets, I guess. ???I think NM = nightmare ? It makes sense with GotP.
what are NM-decks? don't know that abbreviation, sorry
Ghost of the Past
Nightmare
Rewind
Post by: Kjaska on April 15, 2011, 09:02:28 am
Post by: ilovecandy on April 15, 2011, 10:52:10 am
yeah, playing your inital rush reduces your chances on a win greatly, don't do it against a nightmare / rewind deck.
but as long as I kept to just playing the damsels and aether towers, a win was usually secured with a fullhand combo. sure, you can get extremely unlucky and draw both Skyblitzes + Fractals + 3 PUs at start, but that shouldn't happen more than once every 20 years anyway. ^^ *crosses fingers*
Post by: ilovecandy on April 17, 2011, 02:36:28 pm
Post by: Pineapple on April 17, 2011, 07:49:40 pm
Didn't have favorable results, unfortunately.
Post by: Djhopper :) on April 24, 2011, 06:29:54 pm
I,m soooo making this
Post by: ilovecandy on April 24, 2011, 08:00:32 pm
Amazing deck!glad to hear you like it! keep dropping those T50/pvp opponents! :)
I,m soooo making this
Post by: Djhopper :) on April 25, 2011, 08:20:26 am
Thoughts?
Mabye I'll have to expand on quanta production?
Post by: plaf on April 25, 2011, 02:57:36 pm
i usually play this version:
i don't try your version but i think it's work very well .
Post by: ilovecandy on April 25, 2011, 05:49:14 pm
djhopper: unupped, this deck pretty much sucks and is inferior to other unupped pvp farmers, from my experience. its strength really comes from the freaking fast quanta generating and upped cards, as unupped most of your cards are only 40% of their original worth here. if you want an upgrade order, though, quanta would be first priority, I guess. good luck and tell us how the upgrade process is going! :)
Post by: Pineapple on April 26, 2011, 02:06:20 am
conclusion: unupped deck? IT DOESN'T WORK. (sparks not being able to blitz doesn't help either)
Post by: ilovecandy on April 27, 2011, 05:39:07 pm
the originally posted version rocks hard and is fun, but un-upped there are better decks out there, simply because Skyfall shines and makes perfect use of all the upgraded bonuses (such as chaos power).
Post by: ilovecandy on April 30, 2011, 05:08:01 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on May 06, 2011, 08:31:43 pm
if you liked my deck, give it a small comment to give the decks that give some sort of unique gameplay some credit! :) people who might be looking for new deck ideas deserve to have some decks among those current 30 that are actually interesting. thanks! :D *waves "yay!" flag*
TL;DR: give us a yay! :)
Post by: TheCrazyMango on May 08, 2011, 05:29:07 pm
Post by: Chrysus on May 13, 2011, 08:07:51 pm
Thanks, for posting!
Post by: Astrocyte on May 13, 2011, 08:29:45 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on May 13, 2011, 11:31:56 pm
dont know where he / she is getting that data from, but if thats true .. I'm smiling. keep on winning! :)
Post by: willng3 on May 14, 2011, 01:01:04 am
I tried the deck in the OP and it works fantastically; it's not an easy thing to be able to pull of 4-5 turn wins consistently with Sky Blitz and this deck doesn't seem to have problems doing just that. It's also unique in that there are several different ways to kill the enemy which is something very uncommon unless the deck is a Rainbow. It's very fun, very well made and very efficient; well done.
Post by: Newbiecake on May 14, 2011, 02:12:57 am
Post by: ilovecandy on May 14, 2011, 11:33:14 pm
looking forward to your improvements, noobiecakes! :)
Post by: spiritkirinblade on May 17, 2011, 11:27:17 am
Post by: ilovecandy on May 22, 2011, 03:43:34 pm
Post by: Seraph on May 22, 2011, 08:48:09 pm
this has over 12 posters, and it is a fun and effective deck to use
Post by: ilovecandy on May 24, 2011, 05:51:56 pm
do I need to "apply" for the deck to be saved in the archive somehow? :)
Post by: The_Mormegil on May 24, 2011, 06:06:49 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on May 24, 2011, 06:11:58 pm
Post by: Bonestorm on May 31, 2011, 02:19:38 pm
Just played 20 or so games with it, very impressive :D More reliable than I expected and it's always fun to have options! :)
Post by: Nume on June 04, 2011, 09:57:38 am
Post by: Malignant on June 04, 2011, 10:04:54 am
I've been having a decent bit of fun with this deck. Only deck that really gives me trouble so far in pvp is GotP/nightmare/rewind decks. I was messing around trying it on fg's bc I was bored, and managed to kill Jezebel :P:Scary... (Welcome back Nume.)
Post by: Nume on June 07, 2011, 09:30:38 pm
Heh well I never really left, my play time just plummeted during the school year :P due to spending most of my work time on homework. Now I'm done though so back to wasting time on elements lol.I've been having a decent bit of fun with this deck. Only deck that really gives me trouble so far in pvp is GotP/nightmare/rewind decks. I was messing around trying it on fg's bc I was bored, and managed to kill Jezebel :P:Scary... (Welcome back Nume.)
Post by: ilovecandy on June 09, 2011, 08:14:09 pm
I've been having a decent bit of fun with this deck. Only deck that really gives me trouble so far in pvp is GotP/nightmare/rewind decks. I was messing around trying it on fg's bc I was bored, and managed to kill Jezebel :P:wow, a false God kill with this pvp rush deck? that's even impressing me =) cool!
Post by: ilovecandy on June 20, 2011, 10:42:06 pm
I lost all of those matches, though, haha. bad draws and no concentration while your pasta's slowly wobbling over each square meter of the kitchen floor ^^ Kudos to my opponents and enjoy the EU summer, folks! :) *hands out sunscreen* :D
Post by: ilovecandy on July 28, 2011, 09:00:43 pm
If you're looking for a decent deck to farm those bronze league rares, though, it can handle them decks just fine. ;) quick wins for quick rares. Hope you'll enjoy!
Post by: Conchobear on August 21, 2011, 06:04:52 am
Post by: ilovecandy on November 20, 2011, 09:10:15 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on March 18, 2012, 08:21:53 am
feel free to spin for some of the new shards when you encounter me as your "opponent" =) enjoy
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on October 01, 2012, 02:43:17 am
Post by: Bloom on October 02, 2012, 04:11:30 pm
I figured I should revive this old deck. It is quite amazing and I think newer forum members should get a chance to look at it. Its effectiveness is great and is one of the faster rushes out there.
Thank you for reviving this thread! I just discovered this and it's working well so far. Trying to add defense but anything I do seems to take away from the strategy of this deck too much. Great deck ilovecandy, thank you!
Post by: ThePolaris on October 06, 2012, 01:54:07 pm
Post by: whatifidogetcaught? on October 07, 2012, 11:55:57 pm
Great deck. What do you think, how would SoFr be a viable addition for this deck?
With the low quanta production, maybe not.
Post by: Belligerence on October 08, 2012, 12:51:04 am
Great deck. What do you think, how would SoFr be a viable addition for this deck?
With the low quanta production, maybe not.
What he said. This deck runs on more or less the absolute least amount of quanta it can. Some games you have more than enough, but most games shouldn't last long enough that you need SoFr, much less last long enough to play SoFr.
This still hangs around at the very top of my list of favorite decks, this is a truly amazing deck that I love playing around with.
Post by: ilovecandy on November 19, 2012, 07:08:46 pm
as for shard of freedom: been toying around with them a bit, they work great against the obnoxious phase shield and the likes .. have included 2 in my deck right now just for the lols of it. if you're not getting a terribly bad draw, the 3 mana should be affordable to get one out, and it can make quite a difference if you're lucky.
still, nothing that the deck needs to rely on. just a fun addition, I'd say; a quite strong one nevertheless if you got some strong clones etc.
keep enjoying the deck and thank you for the positive feedback! :)
Post by: ThePolaris on January 10, 2013, 09:26:53 am
BadaBUMP
New SoFr costing a single :air is awesome, this beauty is wrecking silver. :) Thanks for the deck once again.
Post by: mwaetht on January 10, 2013, 08:03:46 pm
Post by: Bloom on January 10, 2013, 10:34:46 pm
Could you use SoW for buffs to Wyrm and for TU? I've been trying it, but can't figure out what to take out. You need CP for the Ball Lightnings, after all.
I don't think SoW is a good addition, as every card in the deck is required and cannot be taken out. CP does the job just fine, and you'd have to quanta balance for SoW as well.
Post by: Laxadarap on January 10, 2013, 10:37:38 pm
Could you use SoW for buffs to Wyrm and for TU? I've been trying it, but can't figure out what to take out. You need CP for the Ball Lightnings, after all.
I don't think SoW is a good addition, as every card in the deck is required and cannot be taken out. CP does the job just fine, and you'd have to quanta balance for SoW as well.
It would actually be easier to balance with SoW, just switch to aether mark XD
Post by: mwaetht on January 10, 2013, 10:45:04 pm
Post by: ilovecandy on January 25, 2013, 10:41:22 pm
Post by: gumbeh on January 29, 2013, 01:58:24 am
powerful wyrms sounds like an air-based wyrm/damselfly one-trick pony? might be very powerful, but maybe not as versatile as the combination with purple fun stuff :DThe purple fun stuff really isn't that big a deal - any buff to creature damage will do, and some other elements are more well-rounded. In my mind, your deck's core is the :aether+ :air part, and then you add damage buffs from any element to taste.
For instance: I tried building your deck as a 35-card arena deck, and tested it against common Arena grinding decks. It consistently failed against Poison Dials's 18 turns of stalling power. So I tried switching :entropy to :water and, well, we'll see how it does but it looks promising!
(http://i.imgur.com/qKybQ2W.png)
It typically has a surfeit of :air quanta due to wasting its BLs on turn one without a SoP out to buff them, so it ends up using Fractal on Damselflies. The occasional ridiculousness it pulls off with fractal BL, though, makes me feel it's still worthwhile to include a couple. I reduced the damselflies due to Air pillars being my forced inclusion card.
Post by: ThePolaris on January 30, 2013, 10:01:56 am
Post by: Laxadarap on January 30, 2013, 05:07:50 pm
You ever got the Permafrost out? I mean it is 7 :water, supplied solely from your mark...
He mentioned it was for his arena deck, so I'm sure he has a double or triple mark.
Post by: ilovecandy on March 26, 2013, 09:18:56 pm
as for pvp, what have been your experiences with the shard? I'm really starting to like it, by the off-chance that I actually get it early :)
Post by: Zawadx on January 06, 2014, 09:56:14 am