Post by: hrmmm on August 26, 2010, 06:49:22 pm
i dont think so, and came up with this 4 - elements deck:
it has a average ttw of 6.08 (50 games tested vs ai3).
also there is a theoretical chance of a 3tw (didnt done the math how low the chances really are^^).
the trick:
24 monumentumed dmg for only 6 quanta.
usage:
just play adrenaline and monumentum on everything you can.
just watch for your :time quanta -> you may want to deja-vu your critters if you buffed them ;)
it is pretty vulnerable to any creature control. works good on ai3. i didnt test it on pvp, t50 or ai5/6
so its more a fun-deck.
Games: 50
Time overall (min.): 72.800
avg. sec/game: 87.360
Wins: 50
Losses: 0
Ems: 2
Clicks/Game: 20.460
Avg ttw: 6.080
ttw details:
ttw 3: 0
ttw 4: 3
ttw 5: 13
ttw 6: 19
ttw 7: 10
ttw 8: 2
ttw 9: 3
and yes you can put in some other creatures (like dune/forest scorpions). but i dont think you will make it faster ;)
Post by: guolin on August 26, 2010, 06:53:54 pm
Post by: Nume on August 26, 2010, 06:55:31 pm
Post by: jmdt on August 26, 2010, 06:57:53 pm
Post by: hrmmm on August 26, 2010, 06:58:14 pm
it had 50 wins ;)
Post by: eh pewwwp on August 26, 2010, 07:02:43 pm
Post by: Nume on August 26, 2010, 07:07:42 pm
Post by: jmdt on August 26, 2010, 07:19:23 pm
i like the deck, but it's not an original idea, ive seen ones like this beforehrmmm has been testing and experimenting with deja vu adrenaline decks for a long time looking for a fast dependable version. While there are other similar versions, hrmmm's uses novas annd pendalums making it different and its about a half turn faster than those as well.
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 26, 2010, 07:31:21 pm
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? ? ? = life pendulums
instead use the life ones so u get to play epinephrine more often? i only did a few matches on trainer but it did help? maybe make it 6 nova? i seemed have to have been little shy on quantum ill keep trying :) i like this deck though :D
Post by: hrmmm on August 26, 2010, 07:44:41 pm
i like the deck, but it's not an original idea, ive seen ones like this beforeagree - its actually 1.25 version from other deja-vu decks that are allready posted.
but this is more tweaked.
and it has a pwnge name :P
...yep i run a few test versions with life pendulums and 6 novas:
what if u tried that?
? ? ? = life pendulums
instead use the life ones so u get to play epinephrine more often? i only did a few matches on trainer but it did help? maybe make it 6 nova? i seemed have to have been little shy on quantum ill keep trying :) i like this deck though :D
life pendulums: you need :time for your precogs - nice to play them in your 1st turn if you get a bad hand. also you need some :time for play/double your creatures->sometimes you can get it trough playing a pendulum. and last but not least - have :life for epi but no :time for deja-vu ...
6 novas: i had problems with replacing other cards (dont wanna make a 32 card-deck). and they are not that important in this deck (just for speed up a bit and play monumentum). as i tryed with 6 novas they starting to block my hand. if you think you need more quanta +1 pendulum is a better way to go (in my sight).
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 26, 2010, 08:08:43 pm
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yep i run a few test versions with life pendulums and 6 novas:well .. idk it seemed i was low on quantum. im going to keep testing little tweaks and let u know what i come up with.
life pendulums: you need :time for your precogs - nice to play them in your 1st turn if you get a bad hand. also you need some :time for play/double your creatures->sometimes you can get it trough playing a pendulum. and last but not least - have :life for epi but no :time for deja-vu ...
6 novas: i had problems with replacing other cards (dont wanna make a 32 card-deck). and they are not that important in this deck (just for speed up a bit and play monumentum). as i tryed with 6 novas they starting to block my hand. if you think you need more quanta +1 pendulum is a better way to go (in my sight).
Post by: xuru on August 26, 2010, 08:22:18 pm
amazing deck = ]
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 26, 2010, 08:23:36 pm
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Post by: EvaRia on August 26, 2010, 10:28:35 pm
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You could probably swap out 1 or 2 pendulums for precogs, not sure.
Post by: guolin on August 26, 2010, 11:56:53 pm
I tried this too, awesome deck, but I like this version the best:Probably too slow, plus you get a bunch of absolutely useless Gravity quanta. (after Unstoppables are used, of course) Hrmmm's been testing versions of these types of decks for a long time - there's a reason he's not using your version.Code: [Select]74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 74a 75m 75m 75m 75m 75m 75m 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7q1 7q1 7q1 7q1 7q1 7q1 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri 7ri
6 Gravity Pendulums, 6 Time pendulums.
You could probably swap out 1 or 2 pendulums for precogs, not sure.
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 26, 2010, 11:59:39 pm
Post by: hrmmm on August 27, 2010, 12:27:33 am
if u do 6 novas, and life pendulums instead it seemed to work probably just as well as your version. im trying an unupped version with life pendulums/gravity pendulums and time mark.. with 3 :life scorps. and 3 :time scorps6 novas can work here (if you bulk up to 32 cards)
life pendulums: you want to play deja-vus/precogs before you play epidephrine
quantum usage :time: 6 x 1(d-v) + 5 x 1(prec.) + 6 x 1(skill) = 17
quantum usage :life: 6 x 3 =18
so for the quantum usage it doesnt matter that much if you use life or time pendulums.
but you need more :time in the beginning of a game.
feel free to test some versions with this deck, but i dont see it faster with scorps ;)
when you think you need more creatures i suggest to add some scarabs (to the cost of speed maybe).
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 27, 2010, 12:30:48 am
yea.. .. my version with the 6 novas and life pend. is for the scrops.. to play the quicker and to get them with epinephrine sooner. i sat there with them in my hand a lot. im trying a new version with the time scorps. no precogs, and 2 forest ones to keep the deck at 30. no novas. just pendulums for life, and gravity with time mark.if u do 6 novas, and life pendulums instead it seemed to work probably just as well as your version. im trying an unupped version with life pendulums/gravity pendulums and time mark.. with 3 :life scorps. and 3 :time scorps6 novas can work here (if you bulk up to 32 cards)
life pendulums: you want to play deja-vus/precogs before you play epidephrine
quantum usage :time: 6 x 1(d-v) + 5 x 1(prec.) + 6 x 1(skill) = 17
quantum usage :life: 6 x 3 =18
so for the quantum usage it doesnt matter that much if you use life or time pendulums.
but you need more :time in the beginning of a game.
feel free to test some versions with this deck, but i dont see it faster with scorps ;)
when you think you need more creatures i suggest to add some scarabs (to the cost of speed maybe).
its for the tourny this weekend. so hoping to find something that works well on the AI3 since its all unupped.
Post by: jmdt on August 27, 2010, 12:32:52 am
yea.. .. my version with the 6 novas and life pend. is for the scrops.. to play the quicker and to get them with epinephrine sooner. i sat there with them in my hand a lot. im trying a new version with the time scorps. no precogs, and 2 forest ones to keep the deck at 30. no novas. just pendulums for life, and gravity with time mark.You'll find very quickly that dune scorpions are not that great in a rush deck. Forest scorpions are FAR superior.
its for the tourny this weekend. so hoping to find something that works well on the AI3 since its all unupped.
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 27, 2010, 12:33:45 am
yes im finding that out.. neurotoxin would be only good in stall it seems. :Dyea.. .. my version with the 6 novas and life pend. is for the scrops.. to play the quicker and to get them with epinephrine sooner. i sat there with them in my hand a lot. im trying a new version with the time scorps. no precogs, and 2 forest ones to keep the deck at 30. no novas. just pendulums for life, and gravity with time mark.You'll find very quickly that dune scorpions are not that great in a rush deck. Forest scorpions are FAR superior.
its for the tourny this weekend. so hoping to find something that works well on the AI3 since its all unupped.
Post by: jmdt on August 27, 2010, 12:36:11 am
Yeah neurotoxin takes a serious stall to be effective.yes im finding that out.. neurotoxin would be only good in stall it seems. :Dyea.. .. my version with the 6 novas and life pend. is for the scrops.. to play the quicker and to get them with epinephrine sooner. i sat there with them in my hand a lot. im trying a new version with the time scorps. no precogs, and 2 forest ones to keep the deck at 30. no novas. just pendulums for life, and gravity with time mark.You'll find very quickly that dune scorpions are not that great in a rush deck. Forest scorpions are FAR superior.
its for the tourny this weekend. so hoping to find something that works well on the AI3 since its all unupped.
Post by: bored_ninja777 on August 27, 2010, 12:37:24 am
death + time + gravity would be lot to do. :\ stupid unstoppable being outside of the other two.Yeah neurotoxin takes a serious stall to be effective.yes im finding that out.. neurotoxin would be only good in stall it seems. :Dyea.. .. my version with the 6 novas and life pend. is for the scrops.. to play the quicker and to get them with epinephrine sooner. i sat there with them in my hand a lot. im trying a new version with the time scorps. no precogs, and 2 forest ones to keep the deck at 30. no novas. just pendulums for life, and gravity with time mark.You'll find very quickly that dune scorpions are not that great in a rush deck. Forest scorpions are FAR superior.
its for the tourny this weekend. so hoping to find something that works well on the AI3 since its all unupped.
Post by: ~Napalm on August 31, 2010, 03:24:34 am
Also, Lolz at Jmdt "Any deck in the 6 or less ttw range is stupid fast." ;D
Post by: jmdt on August 31, 2010, 05:53:55 pm
Also, Lolz at Jmdt "Any deck in the 6 or less ttw range is stupid fast." ;DI see you sig'd it. Good times.
Post by: murtle on September 03, 2010, 02:16:49 am
nice job :D
(http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd84547/fg_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd84547/fg)
Post by: jmdt on September 03, 2010, 02:18:14 am
works really goodyou beat obliterator
nice job :D
(http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd84547/fg_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd84547/fg)
nice.
Post by: murtle on September 03, 2010, 02:20:54 am
ya momentum saved my lifeworks really goodyou beat obliterator
nice job :D
(http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd84547/fg_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd84547/fg)
nice.
Post by: hrmmm on September 03, 2010, 11:06:01 pm
works really goodhehe -- nicely done
nice job :D
(http://imageplay.net/m7Gbd84547/fg_thumb.jpg) (http://imageplay.net/view/m7Gbd84547/fg)
even gods crushes under the power of the little ^^
Post by: ~Napalm on September 05, 2010, 05:51:28 am
I couldn't help it :P
Post by: kurathedog on October 13, 2010, 03:13:33 am
First game, won in 7 turns.
Against a Half Blood
Post by: Nadrin on November 13, 2010, 09:49:54 pm
Since precog only draws you one card, drop one of them to narrow it down to 30Code: [Select]4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 6rr 74a 74a 74a 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7an 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7bu 7q1 7q1 7q1 7q1 7q1 7q1 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb 7qb
what if u tried that?
? ? ? = life pendulums
instead use the life ones so u get to play epinephrine more often? i only did a few matches on trainer but it did help? maybe make it 6 nova? i seemed have to have been little shy on quantum ill keep trying :) i like this deck though :D
Post by: Nadrin on November 13, 2010, 09:51:01 pm
Post by: Falcon4415 on November 13, 2010, 10:14:48 pm
Post by: willng3 on November 13, 2010, 11:01:41 pm
It wouldn't be thye first tim I get owned by something like this but, anyway, well done. The thing is: every single time I faced this, they were using TUs on the deja vus. Have you considered lowering the number of DVs, momentums and epis and adding some TUs?The only bad thing about throwing in TU instead of more DVs, Momentums, and Epis is that it greatly lowers the chances of you drawing those cards (plus TU isn't exactly cheap and you would have to accommodate for it somehow). It's not a bad idea, I just can't see this deck maintaining it without completely changing it.
Post by: hrmmm on November 14, 2010, 08:41:37 pm
a good example is xKelevra's T-Vu: 3 turn kills (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,12780.0.html)
willing3 got the point why i dont use TUs in this deck: is too expensive (TU = 3 snova or luck with the towers).
i think this version is slower then a TU deck with a perfect draw... but faster in average, because its more consistent.
its still a heavy combo deck (1 creature and 2 spells combo). combo decks are inconstant by nature, so i tried do balance this combos to gain a reliable deck.
Post by: Falcon4415 on November 14, 2010, 09:11:21 pm
Post by: hrmmm on November 14, 2010, 10:46:11 pm
(...) waiting for a TU won't hurt you that much, and it will enable you to set an impressive 24 dmg on the table in one turn (plus 48 the next turn), just in case everything else goes wrong.its a rush - waiting is always not optimal in a rush ;)
(...)
also the deja-vu's are squishes, any cc will hurt them. if you have a adren + monumentum combo you usually dont want to wait (and get it destroyed) for a TU.
1 deja + epidephrine + monumentum = 12 dmg -> using abillity = 24 dmg -> TU (allready used ability) deja-vu = 36 dmg
you get the 48 dmg combo if you can TU in the same round, before you use the ability:
1 combo = 12 dmg -> TU = 24 dmg -> 2x deja-vu = 48dmg
also 1 monumentum 1 deja 1 epidephrine 1 TU and all the quanta to boost that combo is tricky to draw.
long story, short sense: TU can be faster, but gives you more "bad" draws.