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Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084515#msg1084515
« on: July 02, 2013, 08:38:26 pm »

Poison Dials (35 card version)   by glennfoo
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While discussing Poison Dials in chat, glennfoo mentioned that he uses a slightly larger version of the deck, and that it was able to last longer and beat some decks that smaller PDials decks could not.  He was right.  I've been using the deck against False Gods and Platinum League Arena decks, both with great success.

Strategy
- In my experience, this deck works best when you do not chain Shard of Sacrifice.  Play one SoSac, then play a Sundial when it expires.  The AI tends to play new creatures while SoSac is down, making the next SoSac more effective.
- When your opponent is close to death, chaining SoSac the last few turns generates EM more often, especially if the opponent's damage output is low to moderate.

Pros
- The additional Shard of Divinity helps the deck last longer than the 32-card version.
- The additional quanta help prevent the frequent "mulligan screw" of the 32-card version.
- The pillar/pend split helps get SoD's out much faster than running them off the Mark only.  Naturally, it also provides the traditional defence against Earthquake.
- Demolishes rushes, usually with EM.  Caveat: Beware of rushes with PC.  If they destroy your Sundial, they'll probably kill you.
- Does well against other Poison decks.
- Defeats almost all FGs.  Only 8 (by current count) are Autoskips.

Cons
- Cannot defeat healing decks.  Poison and Arsenic are the only damage sources, and they cannot keep up with Sanctuary or Empathic Bond.
- Relies on Arsenic to keep increasing the poison counter.  If Arsenic is destroyed by PC or blocked by shields, it can be difficult to win.
- Sundial is susceptible to PC.  Use caution when using Sundial to prevent damage, especially against decks with heavy damage.
- Discord and Black Hole destroy this deck.
- Shard of Sacrifice and Shard of Divinity in your opponent's deck can be overcome in small doses.  If the opponent spams SoSac or SoD, it's almost impossible to win.

Spoiler for False God breakdown:
This is a work in progress.  I will update it as I collect more data against the FGs.

AkebonoCaution - Can be beaten.  Akebono's deck contains 4 Shard of Focus.  When he plays SoFo, use a Sundial, or even an Arsenic, as bait to keep him away from your quanta sources.  After the Shards are gone, play as usual.
Chaos LordCaution - Can be beaten.  He has 2 Discord.  If he gets one early, quit.  You don't have enough quanta to overcome it.
Dark MatterAutoskip - This deck is full of Black Hole spam, including Gravity Nymph.  You'll be all right in the beginning, but you'll have no chance in the late game.
DecayAutoskip - His Pests come out too quickly for you to play much of anything.
DestinyEasy win - She spams Chaos Power on everything she can, which helps you achieve EM.
Divine GloryPlay - Deck contains 10 Explosion.  If you can keep your quanta sources, and you get lucky with your Sundials, you can win.
Dream CatcherCaution - Can be beaten.  He has 2 Discord.  If he gets one early, quit.  You don't have enough quanta to overcome it.
Also, be aware of your HP when using Sundial.  Since you have no creatures, Dream Catcher will use Shockwave and Lightning directly against you.
ElidnisAutoskip - Healing
Eternal PhoenixPlay - Be careful of Explosion used against your Arsenic and Sundial.
FeroxAutoskip - Healing
Fire QueenAutoskip - Healing
GeminiEasy win - Usually EM.
GravitonPlay
Hecateinsufficient data available
HermesPlay - He has 12 Explosion.  If he gets them early, you'll be strained for quanta.
IncarnateAutoskip - Healing (by Vampires)
JezebelPlay - Usually, Jezebel goes down fairly easily.  You have to watch her closely, though.  She uses Nymph's Tears on her Quantum Towers.  If she gets a Gravity Nymph, she'll start stealing your quanta.  If she gets a Dark Nymph, she'll cast Liquid Shadow on the other Nymphs, who in turn will start healing her.  If either of these happen early and/or often, quit.
Special note:  Jezebel loves to chain Cloak.  She may have several Dark Nymphs you never see.  Watch her HP meter when she attacks.  If it goes up, she has at least one Dark Nymph.  If it goes up more than your damage, it's probably time to quit.
LionheartPlay
MiracleAutoskip - She has 6 Improved Miracle, and her deck is small enough that she almost always has one in hand.  You can win only if she gets a REALLY bad draw.
Morteinsufficient data available
NeptunePlay - Beware of Shockwave when you drop SoSac.  He has 12 of them, and he will hit your HP with them.
Obliteratorinsufficient data available
OctaneAutoskip - You can deal with 4 Explosion.  It's the 12 Unstable Gas that will get you.  Octane will hold them until you drop SoSac.  You need a heavy dose of luck to win.  Better to skip and play against someone you can beat.
OsirisCaution - Can be beaten, often with EM.  Osiris's deck contains 4 Shard of Focus.  When he plays SoFo, use a Sundial, or even an Arsenic, as bait to keep him away from your quanta sources, unless he has Elite Scarabs on the field.  (The Scarabs will eat the Shards.)  After the Shards are gone, play as usual.
ParadoxPlay - Deck contains 6 Improved Miracle.  Unlike the FG Miracle, though, Paradox usually plays only one Improved Miracle per duel, because her deck is larger than Miracle's deck.  Be careful about using Sundial's draw ability, or you may deckout before the poison kills her the second time.
RainbowPlay - He will steal most of your Sundials.  You won't get the extra draw, but you're still safe from the creatures.  Beware of 4 Improved Miracle.  As with Paradox, you can beat an early Improved Miracle, but probably not a second one.
Scorpioinsufficient data available - This is a poison deck, so it's probably an easy win.
SeismCaution - Deck contains 12 Quicksand.  Always play your quanta sources in stacks of 1, and expect them to be destroyed immediately.  If you play your cards wisely, you can get EM.
Serketinsufficient data available - This is a poison deck, so it's probably an easy win.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2013, 06:33:05 pm by Pella »
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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084518#msg1084518
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2013, 08:58:38 pm »
Here is your likely FG breakdown where you are missing

Hecate, Caution, possible autoskip, can heal, inflict indirect damage, etc,  Although would be possible
Hermes, Win
Incarnate   AutoSkip -> Vamps will heal evan on SoSa.
Jezebel, Caution, has steals reducing draw power, grav nymph can end heal and reduce quanta
Obliterator, Win
Octane AutoSkip -> Ai will sit on the unstable gas until SoSa chain breaks, increased sundials and quanta will actually make the chain harder to maintain against this damage.
Scorpio, Caution possibile Auto-Skip has purify and will use it against your SoSa
Serket, Win

In the end I count 9 to 11 auto skips, 9 to 11 mixed, and 9 wins... 
It seems you will increase some auto skips to mixed results with this modification. 

The thing I like to remind people of, is PDials was championed not because of it's win rate, but efficiency rate, that is how much electrum you get per time in.  That requires clear skips and very easily played decks.  There are other decks posted for FGs with higher overall win rates overall as well to play with as well, and this does probably increase pdials overall win rate. Which some people prefer.  I personally hate losing and don't use pdials for that reason; however, I will probably use this version.
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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084524#msg1084524
« Reply #2 on: July 02, 2013, 09:12:59 pm »
this looks similar to neuroleptics' 1.32 arena mod
just sayin'

you have -1 tower, + 1 pend, + 1 SoD.
With neuro's mod, it is not uncommon to get low on :death quanta, especially vs pc.
With your deck this should be even more the case.

I like bigger rewards, though :D
be quick- time is quanta.

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084528#msg1084528
« Reply #3 on: July 02, 2013, 09:42:05 pm »
Akebono doesn't have otys.

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084550#msg1084550
« Reply #4 on: July 02, 2013, 11:27:43 pm »
Akebono doesn't have otys.
True.  I remembered SoFos getting eaten, but it was Osiris's Scarabs doing the nomming.
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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084723#msg1084723
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2013, 07:19:45 pm »
Nice mod! I'll run -1 Pend, +1 Tower, due to personal preference. Also, for the False Gods with "insufficient data"

Spoiler for Hidden:
Hecate: Very Hard. Vampirizes Voodoo Dolls, granting massive healing after Rage Elixirs. Still possible, if you can chain 6 Sundials at the end.

Hermes: Caution. Many Explosions. If you have to play a Sundial, try playing two at once, since the chances of him drawing 2 Explosions at once is low. That said, really fairly easy with experience.

Jezebel: (I autoskip cuz I hate it) Caution. Black Nymphs = Autoloss. Too many Gravity Nymphs draining quanta = Autoloss. Early Steals/not enough Arsenic hits = Autoloss.

Morte: Auto-Skip. He has Miracles.

Obliterator: Easy. Beware early Pulverizer.

Scorpio: Easy win. Yes, he does have Purifies, but only 2 in over 100 cards, so he has a VERY low chance of drawing them. That said, you can still manage to fight through them. Make sure to keep a Deadly Poison in hand to knock down that Purify healing.

Serket: Extremely easy win. Just... ridiculously easy. Still, it can stack poison surprisingly fast, so just be intelligent and you'll win.

And there is one I have to dispute... Dark Matter. Really pretty easy. Just make sure to SoSac chain as soon as he gets 20+ damage out, and keep the chain going while you stack poison. Then, you can let it drop when he has 25+ poison on him. Simple as that. Early Gravity Nymph will screw you, but you can't win 'em all.

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084745#msg1084745
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2013, 09:37:35 pm »
Morte: Auto-Skip. He has Miracles.
I believe I'm right in saying that Morte has two miracles in over 100 cards, similar odds to Scorpio drawing purify. Definitely not a God I'd want to auto-skip :)

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084753#msg1084753
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2013, 10:39:33 pm »
Morte: Auto-Skip. He has Miracles.
I believe I'm right in saying that Morte has two miracles in over 100 cards, similar odds to Scorpio drawing purify. Definitely not a God I'd want to auto-skip :)

Yeah Morte and Scorpio are both in my pretty-easy category FWIW.

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084773#msg1084773
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2013, 09:23:26 am »
but besides the few miracles, morte also removes a great part of your damage with bonewall.
be quick- time is quanta.

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084785#msg1084785
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2013, 01:51:05 pm »
Oh Morte, I guess I missed Morte on my prediction.
Morte I would guess is a caution, bonewall will give it more turns to hold out increasing chance of building and pulling a miracle...  It was always mixed in old pdials in my mind and this doesn't change much, it buys you more time, but it does the same with morte as well.

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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084810#msg1084810
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2013, 04:35:41 pm »
Frankly, I don't see Bone Wall as an issue.

I understand your point.  The shield blocks Arsenic, which hits for 4 damage and increases the poison counter.  With the shield, I must rely on my Deadly Poison cards to deliver all the damage, and this takes longer.

This scenario is very similar to mono-Aether with its Dim Shields.  Given that this deck absolutely destroys mono-Aether in Plat over 90% of the time, I think it will do just fine against Morte.
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Re: Poison Dials (35 card version) [trio][Death][Light][Time][FG][Platinum] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50217.msg1084871#msg1084871
« Reply #11 on: July 05, 2013, 12:28:49 am »
Oh, he DOES have only a couple, my mistake. :P Lol he always seems to topdeck them against me... maybe I just have to try more.

 

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