New Old Times FG OTK

[Poker Alho]

Isn't this deck very weak vs fgs with PC (AKA all nowadays)? or is the shard never targetted?

the shard can be targeted but you can usually bait out the PC to your towers if you are careful enough

[Higurashi]

As with all original versions of RoL/Hope, I can channel my immense experience with the deck type and tell you the obvious: this will make you more electrum/hour without healing and more quanta.

Looking at it, I'm not convinced at its effectivity because of two added weaknesses: PC and slowness of offense (you will do faster damage with Angels, partially because of the PC problem, but mainly because it's just slower). The added benefits are: more damage-resistant Rays (though weaker to Rewind) and no waiting for to use Fractal. Are these problems that reduced electrum/hour in the original versions? If at all, very marginally. Do they make up for the loss of electrum/hour due to its weaknesses? No.

Nonetheless, it's a fun distraction, much like Ray of Lulz (RoL/Hope with Crusaders). I quite enjoy the new deck strategies the new shards enable, especially if they're not overpowered :>

[Poker Alho]

As with all original versions of RoL/Hope, I can channel my immense experience with the deck type and tell you the obvious: this will make you more electrum/hour without healing and more quanta.

Looking at it, I'm not convinced at its effectivity because of two added weaknesses: PC and slowness of offense (you will do faster damage with Angels, partially because of the PC problem, but mainly because it's just slower). The added benefits are: more damage-resistant Rays (though weaker to Rewind) and no waiting for to use Fractal. Are these problems that reduced electrum/hour in the original versions? If at all, very marginally. Do they make up for the loss of electrum/hour due to its weaknesses? No.

Nonetheless, it's a fun distraction, much like Ray of Lulz (RoL/Hope with Crusaders). I quite enjoy the new deck strategies the new shards enable, especially if they're not overpowered :>

how does RoL become more resistant to CC? they only gain +1|0 per turn with SoP

[Higurashi]

Ah yes, you're right. My wording was wrong there. What I mean is that you can dedicate all your Fractals to Rays, meaning mass CC is less of an obstacle. This is the reason why 5-6 Fractals are preferable in this version.

In fact, 6 of them and a -lot- of quanta will make certain matchups a good deal easier, such as EP, and give you a much better chance against FG's like Hecate because your defence goes up even faster than the speed-focused original RoL/Hopes. Unfortunately the PC weakness offsets this advantage, but you can still bait PC a lot of the time since you're not in a terrible hurry getting your offence started against the likes of EP (though you are against the likes of Hecate).

[bogtro]

Having played a lot with perpetual light, I have to agree that angels are a much better farming choice than SoP. I used a version very similar to this in the early days of 1.30 for Plat and FGs, with probably worse results (though a very slightly higher winrate) than Angels.

[Chapuz]

I have been thinking on chainging Mark to  and replace an electrocutor and anything else for 2 PA. what do you think? A bit slower build, but PC to the SoP 
(and tones of wasted  quanta)

[pulli23]

I have been thinking on chainging Mark to  and replace an electrocutor and anything else for 2 PA. what do you think? A bit slower build, but PC to the SoP 
(and tones of wasted  quanta)

No elec??? That's really pushing the limits - electrocutor is not for nothing one of the first upgrades you do to rolhope after getting ray of lights. - Their passive is that useful against almost all fgs (pharaoh, elidnis, scorpio etc etc).

[Chapuz]

I have been thinking on chainging Mark to  and replace an electrocutor and anything else for 2 PA. what do you think? A bit slower build, but PC to the SoP 
(and tones of wasted  quanta)

No elec??? That's really pushing the limits - electrocutor is not for nothing one of the first upgrades you do to rolhope after getting ray of lights. - Their passive is that useful against almost all fgs (pharaoh, elidnis, scorpio etc etc).

It was just an idea, it seems that 1-2 PAs are a requirement for some FGs. Maybe making it 32 cards...

[Poker Alho]

I have been thinking on chainging Mark to  and replace an electrocutor and anything else for 2 PA. what do you think? A bit slower build, but PC to the SoP 
(and tones of wasted  quanta)

No elec??? That's really pushing the limits - electrocutor is not for nothing one of the first upgrades you do to rolhope after getting ray of lights. - Their passive is that useful against almost all fgs (pharaoh, elidnis, scorpio etc etc).

It was just an idea, it seems that 1-2 PAs are a requirement for some FGs. Maybe making it 32 cards...

Its not exactly a rush so i think the deck will still be good with 35 cards or less

[pulli23]

I have been thinking on chainging Mark to  and replace an electrocutor and anything else for 2 PA. what do you think? A bit slower build, but PC to the SoP 
(and tones of wasted  quanta)

No elec??? That's really pushing the limits - electrocutor is not for nothing one of the first upgrades you do to rolhope after getting ray of lights. - Their passive is that useful against almost all fgs (pharaoh, elidnis, scorpio etc etc).

It was just an idea, it seems that 1-2 PAs are a requirement for some FGs. Maybe making it 32 cards...

Well then you'll be quanta-upsetting the deck here - getting those elecs QUICKLY out of the way really helps by allowing more rols to be fractalled. So you'll have to do something like add 2 PA, and 2-3 towers.

[mega plini]

I can't realy see why this would be better than the old Rol/hope deck. It has the same weakness. also, I would opt to replace the Sancs with Miracles because you will have a lot of unused quanta

[Chapuz]

I can't realy see why this would be better than the old Rol/hope deck. It has the same weakness. also, I would opt to replace the Sancs with Miraclesbecause you will have a lot of unused quanta

The pros are that you don't have to be fighting between the amount of dragons/angels you play against the amount of RoLs you have. In the standard RoL-Hope, you sometimes have more RoLs than the max amount you can have to kill a healing FG so you get your hand clogged by the time you have to fractal the dragons. Also, there aren't  quanta problems in the fractal time. Sancts are mainly for Decay and Dark matter, because not many FGs have momentum. Althiugh, with the SoFo added to the FGs, a pair of Miracles isn't a bad idea at all.

The only cons it may have is the PC on the SoP, that's why the PAs addition discussion ^^