New Old Times FG OTK

[willng3]

Topics merged.

[Chapuz]

Topics merged.

Updated OP. Thanks!

[Absol]

For the upped version at least, i'll suggest -RoL +Fractal +Tower +Electrocutor. Making it 32 cards. But maybe that's just me.

[AvusXIV]

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I got this one for now without Salvager, so it can be used for farming.

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[Zubon]

This is probably just my usual luck, but it seems surprisingly feast-or-famine.  Of my last four games: no Hope in the top 15 cards in 3, all 4 in the top 9 in the 4th.  It's surprisingly difficult to put together a three-card combo of RoL+Hope+Fractal.

[AvusXIV]

This is probably just my usual luck, but it seems surprisingly feast-or-famine.  Of my last four games: no Hope in the top 15 cards in 3, all 4 in the top 9 in the 4th.  It's surprisingly difficult to put together a three-card combo of RoL+Hope+Fractal.

Even though a lot of people refuse it, I witnessed it too many times: The first 5-10 games almost always suck, random number generator has it's problems there...especially this deck can drive one crazy, don't worry, you are not the only one who suffers

[nMerlin]

Just as I could build my first Instosis, it was out of date, so I searched for a new deck I could use to farm FGs. I found in the recommended Decks-Section the "New Old Times FG OTK" and found out, that I really had four SoPs after my Arena-farming. So I could try the following variation, because i previously built an upped RoL/Hope:

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I'm using this version of the Deck because I don't have three Phase Salvagers. The additional Shard helps also against PC. I decided to take an additional Fractal, because it is the most important card in the first few turns. When there are no Rays, I can't build my wall. The Miracle is very useful, when you are poisoned. Then it can buy the time your Rays need to grow. I used it more often then i previously thought.
I really like, that i know in the first few turns, whether i can build my wall quickly enough or not. And i think it's much quicker than the old RoL/Hope. Even against gods like Hermes or Phoenix, with much PC and CC, i won a few games, after i could play RoL/Fractal/SoP/Hope in the first two or three turns. When i can't play them, i don't have a chance and can skip immediatly. I think about an additional Electrocutor. But my observation during gameplay is, that when i need the electrocutor the most, the FG has enough PC to destroy or steal it. And an Electrocutor on the wrong side of the field is very annoying .

Edit:
Just after this posting, i played a nice game against Morte and the improved Miracle won it...

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[Chapuz]

Updated the decks with more pillars and less Salvagers, as they were short on  quanta. If the FG destroys the first 2 shards, wait until you get the Salvager to play the last one!

[OtherPlayers]

This is probably just my usual luck, but it seems surprisingly feast-or-famine.  Of my last four games: no Hope in the top 15 cards in 3, all 4 in the top 9 in the 4th.  It's surprisingly difficult to put together a three-card combo of RoL+Hope+Fractal.

I gotta agree with this sadly. After finally winning my third shard of patience from the arena I immediately put this deck together and won all of my first 5 games. After that I proceeded to lose my 45 some games, losing well over 1000 gold. I guess some days the RNG just is against you.

[OdinVanguard]

Very similar to this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46476.msg1037736.html#msg1037736

I've tried both versions and I seem to have slightly better winrates with a couple sundials.
The single sanctuary and single purify seem to help give better EM as well.

All in all, I'm having much more fun with RoL hope after the bump to SoP. It makes the strategy a good deal more viable.

Unfortunately, it still has a number of weaknesses so Plat and Gold seem to stomp on it pretty bad. SoFr and SoW hurt badly and I seem to meet an aweful lot of decks that use them.

As for FG, I've only just started trying to grind them with this. Sadly, while the salvagers help a bit against explosion and SoFo, they are worthless against steal. Other than that, it winrate seems ok, but is highly dependent on starting hand. Adding sundials seems to help a little with this.

Both variants are absolutely wonderful as a Lv4 grinders. Even if only minimally upgraded. I'm seeing about 80% winrate. With just 1 purify and 1 sanctuary I can get EM on the majority of those. And the OTK is just oh so satisfying.

[eaglgenes101]

Very similar to this: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,46476.msg1037736.html#msg1037736

I've tried both versions and I seem to have slightly better winrates with a couple sundials.
The single sanctuary and single purify seem to help give better EM as well.

All in all, I'm having much more fun with RoL hope after the bump to SoP. It makes the strategy a good deal more viable.

Unfortunately, it still has a number of weaknesses so Plat and Gold seem to stomp on it pretty bad. SoFr and SoW hurt badly and I seem to meet an aweful lot of decks that use them.

As for FG, I've only just started trying to grind them with this. Sadly, while the salvagers help a bit against explosion and SoFo, they are worthless against steal. Other than that, it winrate seems ok, but is highly dependent on starting hand. Adding sundials seems to help a little with this.

Both variants are absolutely wonderful as a Lv4 grinders. Even if only minimally upgraded. I'm seeing about 80% winrate. With just 1 purify and 1 sanctuary I can get EM on the majority of those. And the OTK is just oh so satisfying.

How do the sunidals affect the focus of the deck?

[OdinVanguard]

The sundials provide early game defence and allow the player to get through to the other cards they need faster.
Essentially, they give 1 extra turn each to setup. Mainly they seem to help mitigate bad draws but they have good general defensive and accelerative utility as well.

Dials make a perfect addition really.
-SoP is already preventing photon attacks during powerup phase, so there is no downside to the owner for blocking the attack phase
-Thanks to their low ability-cost and cantrip like nature, they reduce effective deck size making it easier to get your combo setup
-They can stall a rush deck for a few turns while you build up your shield.
-They provide a means to prevent momentum and spell-damage attacks until you can find and use the lobotomizer / electrocutor

The focus of the deck is to stall the opponent until you can build up a massive attack with patience.
A heavy rusher could take you down before you can get your defenses up. Sundials help fill in this early game gap.
I'd say that's an important improvement.