Hahaha my opponent is an idio-Oh wait.

[Powerfrog]

Warning: The current deck is very unpolished and no where near as awesome as it will be after some tweaking. The concept, i'm sure you'll agree, is amazing.

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The idea of this deck is to force your enemy into screwing himself. Only play pillars until you have a photon and a nightmare. When you have your photon and nightmare, kill any opponents creatures with ice bolts. Play the photon and nightmare it on the same turn. Your opponent won't be able to believe his luck and will play those suckers down immediatley. (Ai sometimes waits a turn, which i find odd) As soon as they're down, play flooding and/or ice shield. Now everything your opponent plays will die the turn after, including immaterial creatures.

The only real counter is for the opponent to kill his own photons to make room, summon water/other type creatures which will survive, rely on his weapon or buff the photons with things such as blessing, although you'll most likely outdamage this with ease.

This currently works on the AI 100% of the time, although they sometimes wait a turn before playing photons. It also almost always works on players too (Until they start expecting it )

This is a very fun deck to play, it makes your opponent feel dumb, gives the rarely used flood a great chance to shine, and is really effective. (I've beaten a number of false gods with it.)


Heres an attempt at an upped version, again, very unpolished.

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The dagger is to get EMs or counter the photons damage if you don't draw a shield fast. Unless you get a bad draw you can usually get the enemy to play photons on the 2nd or 3rd turn. With the upped shield you might not even need photons, just take out any big creatures and nightmare the first little one played. The opponent again will think you're an idiot and waste his quanta playing them. Now you flood everything else. I would recommend still using photons in the deck as many enemy decks won't have weak creatures, but if they do, and don't draw a photon, this is a good alternative.

Alright chaps, tell me what you think and more importantly, how you would improve it. I honestly think this deck has potential to be one of the greats with a little work.

[Dm]

If the opponent's hand is a bit over the usual (around 4 cards) I'm sure the combo wouldn't work as well. Water Pillars could also tip your opponent off in your strategy and such, but it seems pretty cool over all. I'll try to "Polish" it when I have the time, though I doubt I can make it much better. But the 3 Photons seems slightly off for me, as well as the 3 nightmares. Maybe 2 floodings, one less ice bolt, one less water pillar. You also need a shield, because those photons will hurt you if you have trouble drawing that one shield (which should happen quite often in a deck with 33 cards, I imagine.)

[willng3]

Yep, I'd say that the problem with these types of decks is that it tries to do so much at once that you really have to cut back on what you're using to make it happen, which is standard in all decks that rely on a large combo in order to win.  So...while I would like to see these decks use more Photons, Nightmares, shields, etc., I'd find it very difficult to remove something without offsetting some other necessary part of the combo.  For instance, removing Floodings would 1)  Reduce the chances of drawing one when you need it and 2)  Make Permanent Control even more deadly when used against you.  Simply adding cards to the deck is probably out of the question as well since it reduces the chances of drawing just about everything else.  You also obviously need damage since you won't be decking anyone out, so those Crawlers, Dragon and Ice Bolts are probably mandatory (plus Ice Bolts are your only safeguard against Pulverizer and the opponent playing other creatures).

I think that this is just one of those decks that's going to end up being somewhat unstable no matter what you do with it or else you'll end up making it prone to some other weakness, but I'd have to see what everyone else can do with the deck before stating that as a fact.  In other words, it looks good to me as is.

But I do have one suggestion here:  Consider upgrading the Photons in the upped version and swapping the Permafrost for a Mirror Shield.  Sure, it's not very good at reducing damage, but there's absolutely no way of removing it from the field and getting killed by your own Photons/RoL.

[Bonestorm]

A fun twist for messing around in AI3, perhaps? Perhaps not

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But in seriousness, some kind of waterbow might suffice, maybe even a deckouter since once it's done it's not so easy to create a large amount of creature damage. Eitherway extending the deck to a rainbow is way too combo-riffic, although fun- and thats just the deck, the strategy also relies on situation exogenous to the deck.

The unupped version at the top doesn't look unbalanced as it is for what you can hope to achieve with a strategy like this, nova would give you a few shakes of the toadfish ability and speed up nightmare, I haven't played enough to say whether the nightmare needs to come faster enough to make use of nova.

Maybe you can find a use for Shard of Patience inside this?

[Powerfrog]

Yeah, you all make valid points, it's just too unstable.

Upgraded photons and mirror shield is a definite improvement though, that's going in.

Perhaps i'll orient this deck around the arena. With double drawing and other benefits, this decks unstableness would be lessened greatly and would become almost unstoppable.

Another method i had in mind was replacing the photons/nightmares with aflatoxin. You'll need more death quanta, but you'll lower the combo requirment and need less cards in total. Skull buckler works great too as overtime any enemies will become skeletons. With 5 bone dragons you don't really need water creatures in the other spots, as long as you keep your opponents 5 creatures weak. I'm gonna work on this deck today...

[Dm]

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Nothing decent, just the obvious modification of it and how the outline should be. I still think about adding another Shield.

(PS: 'Em Puffer Fishes b' un-upped, but I don't have 'em un-upped and I'm too lazy to buy them back.

[Powerfrog]

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Nothing decent, just the obvious modification of it and how the outline should be. I still think about adding another Shield.

(PS: 'Em Puffer Fishes b' un-upped, but I don't have 'em un-upped and I'm too lazy to buy them back.

Ooops. Cells are other and thus are uneffected by flooding. The only real use of flood is to stop the enemy from putting down any creatures before the cell mutations cover the field, after the initial 5 spots are taken. (At that point anything he plays will die, and the cells will take up all room on the field and not hit through your shield)

Guess we're back to the nightmare photons.

(If you want to stick to death/water i'd defnatley recommend skull buckler over ice. Lot cheaper and same damage reduction.)

[Dm]

I don't see your point. My use of flooding and your use of flooding in the decks are the same. I use the malignant cells to lock down the whole field, so even if I run out of water quanta or get PC'd his field is still useless. Further on, the strategy is basically the same and it's just a smaller deck over all. o.O

[furballdn]

I don't see your point. My use of flooding and your use of flooding in the decks are the same. I use the malignant cells to lock down the whole field, so even if I run out of water quanta or get PC'd his field is still useless. Further on, the strategy is basically the same and it's just a smaller deck over all. o.O

Both these strategies involve you using your shield. You have 1 shield in your entire deck. This means the flooded photons do 5 damage max without a shield. Cells without a shield is 23 damage. If your shield gets stolen, destroyed, or not drawn, those cells will kill you quickly. Skull buckler would be a better choice, and it'd be nice to have 2 or 3 of them in a deck that really depends on the shield.

[Dm]

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 I still think about adding another Shield.

Both these strategies involve you using your shield. You have 1 shield in your entire deck. This means the flooded photons do 5 damage max without a shield. Cells without a shield is 23 damage. If your shield gets stolen, destroyed, or not drawn, those cells will kill you quickly. Skull buckler would be a better choice, and it'd be nice to have 2 or 3 of them in a deck that really depends on the shield.

[RRQJ]

Is it just me when I see burrowed/immaterial creatures live when flooding is on the field?  This is the second or third time I've seen someone say immaterial creatures die from flooding.

[Chapuz]

Needs 6 photons and 6 Nightmares just to start in the first 2 turns, letting the oponent just flood his creatures.