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Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222537#msg1222537
« on: February 06, 2016, 07:28:02 pm »
I think this has been done many times, but here it comes...
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222538#msg1222538
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2016, 07:30:28 pm »
Light stalls normally don't have Fractals, by the way. ;) Just putting it down here.
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222539#msg1222539
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2016, 07:39:12 pm »
Light stalls normally don't have Fractals, by the way. ;) Just putting it down here.
Are we forgetting RoL/Hope?  ;)
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222540#msg1222540
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2016, 07:43:10 pm »
Light stalls normally don't have Fractals, by the way. ;) Just putting it down here.
Are we forgetting RoL/Hope?  ;)
Both Aether/Light stalls have Fractal. RoL Hope has it because, well, that's the strategy, and Dim Sanc has it to Fractal a Light Dragon for late-game cleanup damage.

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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222542#msg1222542
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2016, 08:27:40 pm »
That's what I said, this has no fractal! 8) That was the idea
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222547#msg1222547
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2016, 08:51:49 pm »
Light stalls normally don't have Fractals, by the way. ;) Just putting it down here.
Are we forgetting RoL/Hope?  ;)
Both Aether/Light stalls have Fractal. RoL Hope has it because, well, that's the strategy, and Dim Sanc has it to Fractal a Light Dragon for late-game cleanup damage.
RoL/Hope is a special case, but stalls are basically duos with Light or Life that build on healing with cards like Sanctuary, SoG and Miracle, while using the secondary element to block damage by either killing creatures or causing damage over time. Firestall is a great example, most stalls don't even use :aether as an element.

But even then, I put "normally" in my original sentence, so I didn't say that they cannot have Fractal. :P

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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222598#msg1222598
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2016, 09:30:39 am »
Always. Quake resistance!!!!!
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222617#msg1222617
« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2016, 03:43:39 pm »
This is a nice concept, but this deck is currently trying to do too much to work.

Your defense with Hope is not only very slow, your Hope will almost never show up early with only 2 copies in 41 cards. Shards of Freedom are useless for your defense, and as Hope-decks have usually beaten a physical-damage-based opponent once their Hope is fueled up, they don't bring much, if anything at all. Sundial is a good idea for defense (although they bring a PC-weakness), but a single copy won't help much.

This decks needs more focus. Decide to go offensive or defensive; as this is supposed to be a stall, go defensive. Remove the Air (and maybe also the Light) shards, Sanctuaries (unless you predict Denial, but even then they will likely come out too slow), some Miracles and the Dial, and add up to at least 3, better 4 Hope in ~31 cards.
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222636#msg1222636
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2016, 05:32:39 pm »
Sanctuary helps EM
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222640#msg1222640
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2016, 05:55:45 pm »
Sanctuary helps EM
And I've discovered that mono  :earth has got big problems against it
If you want EMs, miracle and luciferin is much better. Guarantees and EM, and doesn't have the issues sanctuary does.
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1222666#msg1222666
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2016, 09:28:49 pm »
Ok... but sanctuary helps also before the EM
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Re: Flystall https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61139.msg1223912#msg1223912
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2016, 09:31:40 pm »
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