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Dialgas [Bronze Grinder/PvP1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513001#msg513001
« on: June 20, 2012, 02:35:38 am »
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I had an odd idea to test Dialgas in Bronze. Surprisingly, it worked extremely well with a 10-win spree. Fails to heavy PC rushes/denial, not much else.

If you get a first-turn Stiletto, which is pretty common, it will do 36 damage in the 9 turns it usually takes to win (it's that fast). The horror.

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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513016#msg513016
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2012, 03:49:23 am »
Upped version? Just wondering what it would look like.
Also, instea of nova you could maybe use an immo?

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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513017#msg513017
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2012, 03:55:41 am »
Upped version? Just wondering what it would look like.
Also, instea of nova you could maybe use an immo?
with what creature to sacrifice? besides, immo would screw this deck up if you added it. unstable gas requires 1 fire, so a nova is perfect. plus if you added immos, you need to add creatures and that would slow down the deck. so, yeah, VERY bad idea
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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513018#msg513018
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 04:03:29 am »
Upped version? Just wondering what it would look like.
Also, instea of nova you could maybe use an immo?
with what creature to sacrifice? besides, immo would screw this deck up if you added it. unstable gas requires 1 fire, so a nova is perfect. plus if you added immos, you need to add creatures and that would slow down the deck. so, yeah, VERY bad idea
Having more fire quanta than you need does not kill you.  Immo would make UGs less usable as CC and make the deck more of a forced OTK.  That being said, playing Immo in a UG deck opens up a lot of room for more drawpower, more quanta or even some CC.  It works much more poorly with dials, however, so such a deck would be different enough to be entirely separate from the posted deck.

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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513022#msg513022
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2012, 04:16:59 am »
Upped version? Just wondering what it would look like.
Also, instea of nova you could maybe use an immo?
with what creature to sacrifice? besides, immo would screw this deck up if you added it. unstable gas requires 1 fire, so a nova is perfect. plus if you added immos, you need to add creatures and that would slow down the deck. so, yeah, VERY bad idea
+damsel +immolation. The draw power means you'll very likely get both.

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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513023#msg513023
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2012, 04:24:22 am »
Tried this with some cards upped.  I never thought I'd say it, but it feels like this deck has too much drawing power:  decking out is one of its big worries unless you use hourglasses purely for decorative purposes.  The problem, of course, is that just because you draw those unstable gasses doesn't mean you can play them; the deck seems choked for  :air.  An unstable gas on the bottom of the deck is automatically unusable.  9 turn TTW seems like it requires a perfect storm to pull off.  It really feels like the time quanta half of the deck adds very little.

Disclaimer:  I didn't play many rounds so I could just be unlucky.  Kind of annoying getting creamed by bronze decks with ranks in the 400s   ::)
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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513025#msg513025
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2012, 04:34:20 am »
Oh, I thought you meant some of these http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Dialga_(Pok%C3%A9mon)

Anywho, I like the look of it. Feels like a lot of extra quant is going to waste though, perhaps pull a glass or a dagger for a shield (for turns when you dont have a sundial, unlikely as it may be) and something else?

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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder/PvP1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513213#msg513213
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2012, 06:14:08 pm »
If you have problems with pc you vould easily fit in 2 cloaks+2 silences in, and maybe some sobs too

This deck gives me a lot of ideas, too bad you can only play 2 gases off snovas.
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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder/PvP1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513601#msg513601
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2012, 09:32:33 pm »
You didn't face any bronze decks with more than 120 HP? o.O
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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder/PvP1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513603#msg513603
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2012, 09:33:24 pm »
You didn't face any bronze decks with more than 120 HP? o.O
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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder/PvP1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513604#msg513604
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2012, 09:35:15 pm »
A lot of Bronze decks don't have a lot of HP.

If you have trouble with damage rather than surviving, switch Stiletto with Arsenic. It's never happened to me.
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Re: Dialgas [Bronze Grinder/PvP1] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=41395.msg513610#msg513610
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2012, 10:01:46 pm »
actually, i get lots of decks in bronze that have 150+ hp... could just me having bad luck though  :P

 

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