Phase 3 - Community Vote

[Dm]

Holy Walls of Text, Batman! MADNESS, I tell you! I truly do!

Welcome back, Johann. =P

Let's start.

I'm going to take this in a bit different direction than most and ask you a little about deckbuilding.

What would you build to defeat one of these two decks (a war legal deck obviously)?

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vl 50u 50u 50u 50u 50u 590 590 590 590 590 590 593 593 593 593 5f6 5og 5oi 5oi 61qI'm not looking for some completely tested deck that totally owns them, more a deck that should in theory work as an expression of deck building creativity.

Hellooou, Quanta T.

For the first deck, the choice would be Animated Morning Stars. Pande can't reach them, therefore rendering his Bonewall useless. As to take care of the poison, I'd pack one or two Miracles, as they can take care of it - The Morning Stars can take down the bonewall pretty quick and can also win amazingly fast.


The second one is kind of easier as I have defeated one that looks quite like that. Pack Solar Bucklers, no matter what you do - They will produce light quanta, so what you lose from Discord will kind of be back in but a few short turns. Divide my quanta production between pendulums and pillars to avoid that Nasty EQ, and since I didn't give you a splash yet, I would bless and fly the peggies. Discord would even give me Air Quanta, so I wouldn't even need Air Mark in a way. But I'd still pick Air Mark to be sure.

Those both, in theory, can win.

It is one thing to know thyself.  It is another to know thy enemy.

What is Darkness?

The other part of light. It takes control of the board and of what others use to gain advantage. It doesn't helps itself or others, it harms others and takes what others have.

In a way, that could be it. I'll put it in more detail once I have the time, which should be soon.

As xdude was kind to point out in the chat quote, I did try to counter it but my luck was terrible while doing that... and Ryan didn't use the exact same deck each time.  He tweaked it between matches.  Yeah, it was still Light/Gravity, but he did adjust to his opponents' perceived tactics.  It was not Gravity Shield that killed us every time - in several matches it was Gravity Pull.  In my first game against him, if he hadn't used Gravity Pull, it may have been an easy win for me via blessed Squids.

I know. I said that some of us either had bad luck or something.

Edit : Xdude's first deck is pratically mine with Owl's Eyes! I can assure you I was writing this BEFORE he posted. So I didn't copy

[QuantumT]

Dm1321, think I could get some deck codes?

[einherjar145]

Hello!. I got a couple of questions for u guys.

1. Which of these qualities should a Master have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)
   
    Honesty,Compassion,Passion, Diligence,Integrity,Patience,Respectful,Attitude or Others.(if any)

2. Which of these qualities should a Master NOT have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)

   Boastfulness,Proud,Laziness,Disrespectful towards others,Dishonesty,Ill-Tempered, or Others.(if any)

[Dm]

QuantumT, Truly sorry, but at this time I cannot. I woke up with some awful internet today and I can't log in elements. I'll give you two decks tomorrow or later today - Sorry I can't give 'em to you right now. But here's a small list for you

6x Morning Star
5x Flying Weapon
3x Miracle
16x Pillars.

That's a rough draft, coming up from the pure scratch and what the deck is based off. Other changes or modifications are (But not limited to) :

One less Morning, One less Flying weapon, 1 Dragon and 1 more pillar
Dragons
Possibly a peggy

And to the second, another very very rough example :

3x Solar Buckler (Two for deflag, three for early.)
4x Peggies (Moar the merrier - Let's draw out that CC.)
5x Bless (Your choice. I'd pack around 5 just to be moar powerful, but we have 'nuff of our peggies.)
6x-7x Pillars o' Light
4x-3x Pends o' Light

So we're at 22 cards. The rest is your choice. I'd suggest, since we have pends and air mark, a possible upped Sky Blitz, Shockwave for some minor CC, and maybe more pillars if you feel you're short on it.

Please notice that the first is kind of "Play all you can", but the second utilizes more strategy. You need to not only know when to play your peggy, but you also need to know when to play that shockwave or Sky Blitz. The thing that requires the most timing would be when you have to play Pillars or Pends. The main idea is to throw out pends if you can to make them be EQ'd, or play one pillar after one pillar to make that EQ be drawn out. If you dump your whole hand on the board you'll be run over  by elephants and graboids.

Hello!. I got a couple of questions for u guys.

1. Which of these qualities should a Master have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)
   
    Honesty,Compassion,Passion, Diligence,Integrity,Patience,Respectful,Attitude or Others.(if any)

2. Which of these qualities should a Master NOT have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)

   Boastfulness,Proud,Laziness,Disrespectful towards others,Dishonesty,Ill-Tempered, or Others.(if any)

I like your question. If I had to choose one, I think that Honesty is the one. You can't lie to your companions if you hope to win a War, nor to the community if you want your comments to be heard. Tell the truth, and they'll tell the truth to you. Or not.

Second would be Dishonesty. Lying is bad to you and to others. Shouldn't happen at all.

Now if I were to put them in order, the one that a master SHOULD have would be something like this..

Honesty, Respectful, Patience, Passion, Compassion, Integrity and Dilligence. The top 3 for me are in that other, but the others can be arranged in any way.

And the ones that should NOT have..

Dishonesty, Laziness, Boastfulness, Disrespectful toward others, Ill-tempered and Proud.

I put proud last as being proud isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[xdude]

Hello!. I got a couple of questions for u guys.

1. Which of these qualities should a Master have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)
   
    Honesty,Compassion,Passion, Diligence,Integrity,Patience,Respectful,Attitude or Others.(if any)

2. Which of these qualities should a Master NOT have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)

   Boastfulness,Proud,Laziness,Disrespectful towards others,Dishonesty,Ill-Tempered, or Others.(if any)

1. Passion. All the rest are null if you're like "*insert element here* sucks... I'm just a Master 'cause I'm bored... yeah...*

2. Laziness. At least for War, the most sure way a team can lose is with an inactive general.

[einherjar145]

Hey guys!. I got a deckbuliding question for u guys too.(Have Fun!)

What kind of deck(s) would You use to counter the decks below.

The decks should be all unupped and preferably having no nymphs as you wont know who would have to face the decks.

You would have to use your own element and another element to make the deck. Try and make a deck which ppl would understand how to use it easily.

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[xdude]

Ein, 1 question. You want them to be good decks in general, or perfect counters?

[jippy99]

What the heck.  I guess Ill answer a few questions, just for the fun of it.

Hello!. I got a couple of questions for u guys.

1. Which of these qualities should a Master have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)
   
    Honesty,Compassion,Passion, Diligence,Integrity,Patience,Respectful,Attitude or Others.(if any)

2. Which of these qualities should a Master NOT have and why?(Pls choose one from the list.)

   Boastfulness,Proud,Laziness,Disrespectful towards others,Dishonesty,Ill-Tempered, or Others.(if any)

1. Humble.  It took me awhile to decide, but I came to this.  A humble master would be congratulatory to others in any event, regardless of the outcome.  They also would not be boastful and say things like this: My element is so much better than yours, it sucks, or I am such a better PvPer than you are.  Lastly, a humble master does not make any comments on how he has a higher rank than other people.  So people, if they were to become masters, would say things like, I a master, I am better than you, and therefore my opinion is more important.

2. I would have to say disrespectful towards others.  I say this because nobody wants a leader who doesnt treat you right.  Think of having a disrespectful master in war.  This master would be constantly sneering, not agreeing or even listening with what anyone has to say, and using unnecessary trash talk to other teams, trying to downsize them.

[xdude]

Hey guys!. I got a deckbuliding question for u guys too.(Have Fun!)

What kind of deck(s) would You use to counter the decks below.

The decks should be all unupped and preferably having no nymphs as you wont know who would have to face the decks.

You would have to use your own element and another element to make the deck. Try and make a deck which ppl would understand how to use it easily.

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Nevermind my previous question. I just found a great deck to counter BOTH of those:

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[Dm]

Xdude's deck is good. I'll use something different.

1st deck : Quite easy. I'd pack deflags and dragons (Go by the wonderful Pande easily, and even if Mutated will still be quite good, and will kill slowly.)

2nd Deck : Purify. If I wasn't going to pack purify, then I'd use a deck with darkness and 6 devourers. Possible Vampire + Bless for some massive healing, in case he even gets out one momentum before the Devourers make the job.

[johannhowitzer]

I'm going to take this in a bit different direction than most and ask you a little about deckbuilding.

What (war legal) decks would you build to defeat these two decks?

The decks should be all unupped and preferably not involve and nymphs as you don't know who will have to face down the decks.

Also, though the decks should be targeted counters, they shouldn't fall apart against other decks.

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EDIT: Slight change on the wording to clarify.

I can't really say anything about the first deck that Dm and xdude haven't already covered - Morning Star is the obvious choice vs Pandemonium, and Purify is the obvious counter to Poison.  It's an easy deck for Light to directly counter.

For the second, a neat trick would be to counter with Crusader, and perhaps make it a Darkness combo for the sake of Steal on that Fog Shield.  Dm's idea of using Solar Shield is very solid - testing might be necessary, but my guess is that the Buckler will grant 1 after the Discord in the opponent's weapon slot connects - guaranteeing you won't be at 0 on the start of any turn.

Hey guys!. I got a deckbuliding question for u guys too.(Have Fun!)

What kind of deck(s) would You use to counter the decks below.

The decks should be all unupped and preferably having no nymphs as you wont know who would have to face the decks.

You would have to use your own element and another element to make the deck. Try and make a deck which ppl would understand how to use it easily.

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First deck is WAY too easy to beat, as it has only one source of damage, a single Discord.  I would go with a Gravity duo and pack Momentums, that setup with a single Crusader is enough to win.  Deflagration could be effective, but is a bit too dependent on luck, as six Dissipation Shields need to be countered by a full six Deflags.

Second deck's counter was covered cleanly by xdude, Purify being the obvious choice against Dune Scorpions and Morning Star obvious against Eternity.  With an Aether combo, Lobotomizer would also shine in combination with Solar Shield.

[QuantumT]

@ Johann

I know that as people post decks the available options decrease, but do you have any ideas for other possible decks? They don't necessarily have to be quite as effective (I'll keep in mind the order people posted in) but I think that being able to come up with possible alternatives is good.