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Who is most worthy to be the next Master of Fire?

Vangelios
15 (20.8%)
hainkarga
22 (30.6%)
glennfoo
31 (43.1%)
None Worthy
4 (5.6%)

Total Members Voted: 71

Voting closed: August 20, 2014, 03:34:41 pm

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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151268#msg1151268
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2014, 09:56:04 pm »
Considering I'd like to see Fire at a consistent second place after Aether in War, this vote is easy for me. There are only two people I know that work as hard as me in War and can mindgate on a similar level, and one of them is here.

That said, I'm still curious. To all participants:
Why did you join the Trials of Fire?

What personal meaning does Fire as an element have to you?
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151271#msg1151271
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2014, 10:35:07 pm »
There are only two people I know that work as hard as me in War and can mindgate on a similar level
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151279#msg1151279
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2014, 11:00:16 pm »
Realistically, do you think you can topple aether? Whats so new/not new this time (more important part)?
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151288#msg1151288
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2014, 11:11:04 pm »
Do you think using blue nymphs, unstable gases, and/or elite fireflies in war decks would help fire do better, or would it be a waste of vault space?  I can't recall seeing fire try this strategy before.

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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151332#msg1151332
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2014, 09:15:57 am »
Questions updated with answers at this point. Might edit again as time goes by
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151338#msg1151338
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2014, 10:33:52 am »
Considering I'd like to see Fire at a consistent second place after Aether in War, this vote is easy for me. There are only two people I know that work as hard as me in War and can mindgate on a similar level, and one of them is here.

That said, I'm still curious. To all participants:
Why did you join the Trials of Fire?

What personal meaning does Fire as an element have to you?

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Yes said well , the one you know, but also there are those who you do not know. and more have players who only use dim shields fractal and air-nymph, and then we have "recognize as a hero" speak serious please.
I'd like to highlight Vang's response to other readers.

Now a response to Vang. Five issues here:
1: Arguing with an explanation that wasn't up for argumentation. Me explaining why I vote the way I do is not discussion material for the participants and could only potentially be for the onlookers.
2: I've seen what you can do and I've seen what glen can do for several years now. In other words, I do know you. If I didn't, I wouldn't vote.
3: hain is one of the most diverse players I've ever seen in deckbuilding. Period. When it comes down to what decks you have to use, the choice becomes easier because most decks are worse variants of a different deck that can do the same things better. If you want to win, you run the best decks for the situation. I estimate hain uses maybe 10% of all the decks he builds during the brainstorming phase, and that's only rational. In addition, he tends to stray from the most overused cards in favour of weirder decks for reasons I won't be divulging here, so you couldn't be more wrong in this overgeneralization.
4: There's one person that calls you a hero. Yourself. Titles are granted by others, or they hold no meaning.
5: I haven't indicated this being a joke at any junction. At the same time, it's not the end of the world either. We're playing a game here :>

The rest of your response I have no issue with. For your own good I'd advise not arguing with voters' perspective, but weaving in responses in your answers to their questions. For instance, "you've seen what I can do, but this War I've got a lot of new ideas up my sleeve".
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151339#msg1151339
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2014, 10:52:03 am »
Humm, Well I forgot to mention that some players are alongside great players like Deuce and Jenkar, which helps in the good results. And yes I'm a hero my dear and also consider you a  Aether Queen.

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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151346#msg1151346
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2014, 11:20:13 am »
You're speaking without any insight or experience in the matter, seeing as you've never been on a team with hain. That's the very definition of foolish. The best source of information you have is the War archives, and even looking among what little is public there you'd see hard evidence against your accusations.

Working with hain in War 3 and observing War 5, 6 and 7 from the inside (I can see everything unfold, being Admin), he's been the same independent war engine since War 3. deuce and Jenk will confirm this any time you ask. Time and time again he's done 90% of the work for entire War teams for several consecutive rounds, and gotten first or second place in the finals as a result. If I'd ever need more evidence (which no one does), I need only look to this past Team PvP. Every round he would put in a minimum amount of time so high that it dwarfs most players' commitment in comparison, and that work didn't diminish in quantity or quality one bit without input from deuce or me. Not for a single round. He's the most consistent workhorse I've seen to date and one of the very last you could ever accuse of being dependent on others. If I owned a company down in Istanbul, I'd hire him and never let him go (which other companies have done in my stead).

The worst possible stance you can take here is one of slandering hain, as you're facing Everest-sized mountains of counter-evidence. Look to advertise yourself in an honest way instead please.

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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151347#msg1151347
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2014, 11:40:09 am »
Trials of fire is like my home, I will not accept it here
 "...There are only two people I know that work as hard as me in War and can mindgate on a similar level, and one of them is here...."
don't start a campaign in favor to a especific challenger, in the case of Napalm or Antagon I accept this comment , just ask do not  trying to save defeated in phase 2. Please be neutral. I like hain (despite the contrary opinion) but he failed in phase 2 where he had his chance to show satisfactory differences, and also the fire is not his favorite element.
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151348#msg1151348
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2014, 11:46:58 am »
I agree, he didn't perform in phase 2 and that's a demerit to his individual performance with Fire, though not to his team performance: he adapted to Aether and Air extremely fast and has always done worse in Trials than War. I have no reason or obligation to be neutral when I have lots of evidence that steers me in a direction though. As a voter, we're supposed to choose a candidate. If you mean I should be objective, well, again, there's the evidence. It's not an emotional stance as you can see :>

Two people seem to have misinterpreted that sentence you quoted, btw. I said "two people I know", not "two people in the world".

And again, I was explaining why I voted the way I did. You're the one who began slandering an opponent, and in the interest of fairness I responded to those accusations only. If I wanted to start a campaign, I'd drag the aforementioned evidence in here unprovoked (I actually haven't even begun linking evidence in response to you). My responses are responses to your slandering which lacks evidence and they are as such not unprovoked. That's why I advised you to focus on advertising yourself instead of starting this torrent of counter-evidence that you must have at least figured would show up. No?
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151349#msg1151349
« Reply #22 on: August 16, 2014, 12:02:13 pm »
is not defamatory, are divergences of opinions,  and you catch facts makes a hain god, and I take facts and see a hain as normal player like most here, is not slander to prove that he is normal I used such arguments, but to defend of you, and I'm not going to argue about it, can give its final opinion.
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Re: 8th Trials - Phase 3 Community Vote [Fire] https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=55438.msg1151350#msg1151350
« Reply #23 on: August 16, 2014, 12:03:09 pm »
@Vangelios
I understand your need to present your supposed advantages over me and i have been more patient than i usually am. But this is getting out of hand. I believe your never ending torrent of rootless contempt and grudge crusade against me is not really working to your benefit on top of being blunt and distasteful. Please talk more of yourself, less of me especially in such insulting & provoking manners.
(I guess you have 1 more wins in phase 2 than me. Better results, but not good enough to motivate the elements community to start a campaign in an attempt build a giant monument of you next to the statue of liberty.)

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