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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg135926#msg135926
« Reply #96 on: August 11, 2010, 05:06:28 pm »
Ok.......That means you would totally pwn with 6 Black Nymphs...
I'm not sure I'll pawn, but it gives me options.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg135942#msg135942
« Reply #97 on: August 11, 2010, 05:23:50 pm »
Being a Christian, I actually am rather bothered by you using images of Satan (demon) and Satanic worship (sacrifice) in your card images
Wow, are you serious? You wouldn't like that kind of imaginery in a freaking GAME because it offends your religion? :)

I'm speechless.

That being said, I too think that Bloodshadow's vision of :darkness is maybe a bit too "demonic" or "satanic". More subtle references to "evil" would be better imo.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg135948#msg135948
« Reply #98 on: August 11, 2010, 05:36:00 pm »
question to kael:

you are global mod now, are you still going for master of darkness?

if yes, and you also get master:
- you dont attend the war then, right?
OR
- is there a possibility to hide war-areas from you?

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg135960#msg135960
« Reply #99 on: August 11, 2010, 05:49:44 pm »
Jmizzle is a GM and he played in the war. So ya, he can still do everything.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg135963#msg135963
« Reply #100 on: August 11, 2010, 05:50:31 pm »
question to kael:
you are global mod now, are you still going for master of darkness?
Yes.

Jmizzle7 was a Mod and a Master and was in the war.


if yes, and you also get master:
- you dont attend the war then, right?
OR
- is there a possibility to hide war-areas from you?
I'd have to talk with Scaredgirl about this if and when the time comes.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg135996#msg135996
« Reply #101 on: August 11, 2010, 06:40:15 pm »
Please describe darkness to me in 3 words.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg136011#msg136011
« Reply #102 on: August 11, 2010, 06:52:51 pm »
Please describe darkness to me in 3 words.
Obfuscation, Subversion, Shadow

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg136027#msg136027
« Reply #103 on: August 11, 2010, 07:13:26 pm »
Please describe darkness to me in 3 words.
Absence of Light
Ah, so by that logic, my life mono deck is also a darkness deck?  It has no light in it.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg136046#msg136046
« Reply #104 on: August 11, 2010, 07:29:48 pm »
Wow amazingly big thread  :o

I know all 3 players in general. killfer b/c of chat more or less, bloodshadow b/c of war and master of darkness sub, and Kael b/c of him being a staff member. As always this isn't a vote of popularity, it is a vote of who you think would make the best master of the element in question.

For that my vote goes to Bloodshadow. Like a few others who don't really talk to him but connect him to the element I share the same feeling.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg136057#msg136057
« Reply #105 on: August 11, 2010, 07:36:10 pm »
Being a Christian, I actually am rather bothered by you using images of Satan (demon) and Satanic worship (sacrifice) in your card images
Wow, are you serious? You wouldn't like that kind of imaginery in a freaking GAME because it offends your religion? :)

I'm speechless.
You're atheist, right? If a card "Jesus" with a picture of Jesus on it was created, with the effect "Preach the Word of God to the opponent's creatures; they have a 50% chance of converting to your side through the awe inspiring glory" or something along those lines, would you not like it? I'm not asking whether or not you could accept it, but would you like it?

No, I wouldn't like that kind of imagery in the game, particularly because it makes darkness look evil and as both BS and Kael have stated, darkness isn't evil.

I said it bothers me. I could get around it, but it would indeed bother me. I'm not one of those insane zealots that would run on a rampage "AMG Elements is satanic because it uses images of Satan and not Jesus!!! I Quit!!!!", but I can see how some people that don't know blood shadow's reasoning could see it that way. And if the game picked up steam, some Christian groups would see it that way too. So while I would only be mildly bothered by it, it wouldn't be a good thing for the game at all.

Well, Puppy, I happen to be a vehement atheist; sorry for being blunt, but I care nothing, whatsoever, about Christianity as a whole. So if you fall victim to this "evil" stereotype, then I have nothing to say to you.
Your bluntness astounds me. I'm not bothered by you being atheist; in fact I have many atheist friends. But I am bothered by you being a "vehement" atheist that cares "nothing" about Christianity. A true leader (and I believe masters should have leader qualities) should be sympathetic and understanding, not biased and unmoving. A good atheist leader, in my view, would be one that reads the Bible in an attempt to understand more about Christianity and empathize with them, even if he disagrees with them. But that's all a bit off topic, so I'll stop there.

But I would also like to mention that you seem to be sending off different messages. Do you think darkness is evil, or not?

If you do, your images are fine.

If you don't, your images have a problem:
Even if they aren't evil to you, to the common newb or player, they are.  Instead of doing what's best for darkness, you choose to stand for your ideal that "demons aren't evil". Imo, a master of darkness would be able to set personal sentiments behind himself and recognize that even if he's right, nobody else will see it that way, so he might as well not do it.

As Kael has said, the definition of demon includes evil. That's a fact. You say they aren't. That's the equivalent of me saying 2+2=5, or saying to count you should go 1, 3, 2, 4, 6, 5, 7, 9, 8. Me believing differently doesn't change the fact that 2+2 still equals 4, or that the number order is still 123456789.

For another example, using your rules, I could say
"You are an idiot that is crazy".
You don't take that well, do you? No, you shouldn't.
But I don't mean that! In my mind, idiot = dude, crazy = cool, just as demons =\= evil. Since we're ignoring definitions and all. So what I really meant is:
"You are a dude that is cool".

So you see, even if you intend something different, putting pictures of commonly accepted things as evil will still send out an evil vibe.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg136171#msg136171
« Reply #106 on: August 11, 2010, 09:15:33 pm »
Actions are not considered evil based upon whom they are inflicted but based upon the action itself.  If that were not the case, waterboarding and other forms of torture would be okay to do against the enemy, because well, they're the bad guys.  We can do whatever we want to the bad guys because they're bad and we're good, right?  No, sovereign nations have decided that that should not be the case and have to come to agree on many things that are bad to do to the enemy even in wartime.  It's called the Geneva Conventions.  Someone murder your family?  Well go hunt them down and slowly torture them and make them feel the pain and suffering you feel.  The action may be evil, but that's okay, you're doing it to an evil person so that makes it right.  Right?  Wrong.  There's a reason why vigilantes are frowned upon in lawful societies.
Just so you know, I support capital punishment. I fully believe that criminals deserve to feel all the pain that they intended to inflict on others. Note the word "intend": if you accidentally kill someone, then you didn't intend to do it, therefore you don't deserve to feel the pain you didn't intend to inflict; if you kill someone so s/he won't have to suffer anymore, then you didn't intend to inflict pain and shouldn't feel the pain you didn't intend to inflict.

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Even if they aren't evil to you, to the common newb or player, they are.
They can believe what they want to believe, whatever. But if they ask, then of course I'd try to correct them. If it doesn't work, then I give up, and let them believe what they want to believe.

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Your bluntness astounds me. I'm not bothered by you being atheist; in fact I have many atheist friends. But I am bothered by you being a "vehement" atheist that cares "nothing" about Christianity. A true leader (and I believe masters should have leader qualities) should be sympathetic and understanding, not biased and unmoving. A good atheist leader, in my view, would be one that reads the Bible in an attempt to understand more about Christianity and empathize with them, even if he disagrees with them.
I wasn't being sympathetic toward you because you weren't on my "team". If we were in some sort of group that requires us working together, then I would gladly put aside this difference of religion, and mostly other differences, in order to benefit us all.

Please describe darkness to me in 3 words.
Stealth and Exploit.

@Kael: Your answer is the definition of Darkness in real life, not in Elements. Never mind, you edited your answer.
To be or not to be, I can do both at once. Go learn quantum mechanics, n00b.

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Re: Phase 2 - Community Vote https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=10928.msg136586#msg136586
« Reply #107 on: August 12, 2010, 08:36:23 am »
Congratulations BS! You win my vote :)

 

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