12th Trials - Phase 3: Community Vote

[Manuel]

last time i """""ragequitted""""" was in an event that was supposed to be restarted, with 30% of players that retired after 2 rounds, players that already got byes get even more byes, then pause everything so these players was able to fight against 2 subs popped out of nowhere, then even more byes every round

if things are handled properly and are fair for everyone no one ragequit or simply, think an event isn't fun anymore

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Manuel, you've been grilling us newcomers in Trials.  This is ironic because you are a newcomer to trials, too.  This is the first trials that you've gone beyond phase 1 after withdrawing from Trials # 10 for earth. 

The concern about "quitting" goes right back at you. In fact, you seem to have a history of not following through and rage-complaining.

-Event WWW3 is referring to that you rage-quit
-War 10
-Not finishing Tourney
-Funny, but un-masterlike comments War 11

You are a strong pvp-er.  You're also funny and creative.  But, why should anyone vote for you for Master given a pattern leaving/quitting when it suits you?  Do you not consider the impact leaving mid-way has on others and the event?  Will you continue to be yourself as General? Quit when you're angry or think something is not fair? 

I think you should address this because it's one thing to be this way as a soldier/participant, it's entirely different as Master/General.

P.S.  I found a bunch of these links by searching "Manuel Angry" 

i withdraw from trials 2 years ago because i changed work and i totally not had the mind to play a game

in war 10 i was trashtalked by my opponent ingame chat during my turn (no way to screen when was playing) after i topdecked a card and won a game, ended with me losing 3 games because i bottom decked fractals, then after the earth gen said other things/i don't remember but i was really really angry
i didn't ragequit the tournament, i conceded after the first turn in last game, i had a    deck, the import fucked up and i had  mark, how i could win? cactus even said it in that post lol u have some problems to read
in last war team darkness tried to turn my win from 3-2 to a loss in 1-3 using the point "your opponent is inexperienced in pvp" , while i was still proving screenshots and after he agreed with the final result; the only to know the real truth was doctorc, not a single post by him in that thread
without arguing that game was turned in a loss, after wasting one and an half hour and 9 games because my opponent was browsing tumblr

the main difference from me and u is that AT LEAST i played 2 wars, winning one of them with the best winrate paired with spiel, if i remember correctly

u have a lot of free time and a lot of imagination, u can find other things on me (i made an op time card for the first card competition i ever joined, u can post it saying i ragequitted)

edit: i opened a thread about retrogaming 2 months ago, u can say i am not worthy to become master since i play other games
also there are two things no one knows: i ragequitted tennis irl for a knee/leg injury some years ago and karate when i was 10 years old because i didn't like it after getting the yellow belt

[Aves]

i have no way to get more votes than a competition organizer like aves, but doesn't mind i made 11/12 and i have the war bonus

Hah, no. PvP results count for a lot. I'm expecting an uphill battle in the votes from the PvP crowd. I think we'll end up with a significant number of upgrades in your favor at the end.

I'll also send a question your way. You've been fairly critical of the new people in Trials. The odds are that you'll have somebody new in your War team, so how do you plan on helping them learn the ropes? How would you choose to have them participate?

[Kalinuial]

Spoiler for prior quotes:

last time i """""ragequitted""""" was in an event that was supposed to be restarted, with 30% of players that retired after 2 rounds, players that already got byes get even more byes, then pause everything so these players was able to fight against 2 subs popped out of nowhere, then even more byes every round

if things are handled properly and are fair for everyone no one ragequit or simply, think an event isn't fun anymore

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Manuel, you've been grilling us newcomers in Trials.  This is ironic because you are a newcomer to trials, too.  This is the first trials that you've gone beyond phase 1 after withdrawing from Trials # 10 for earth. 

The concern about "quitting" goes right back at you. In fact, you seem to have a history of not following through and rage-complaining.

-Event WWW3 is referring to that you rage-quit
-War 10
-Not finishing Tourney
-Funny, but un-masterlike comments War 11

You are a strong pvp-er.  You're also funny and creative.  But, why should anyone vote for you for Master given a pattern leaving/quitting when it suits you?  Do you not consider the impact leaving mid-way has on others and the event?  Will you continue to be yourself as General? Quit when you're angry or think something is not fair? 

I think you should address this because it's one thing to be this way as a soldier/participant, it's entirely different as Master/General.

P.S.  I found a bunch of these links by searching "Manuel Angry" 

i withdraw from trials 2 years ago because i changed work and i totally not had the mind to play a game

in war 10 i was trashtalked by my opponent ingame chat during my turn (no way to screen when was playing) after i topdecked a card and won a game, ended with me losing 3 games because i bottom decked fractals, then after the earth gen said other things/i don't remember but i was really really angry
i didn't ragequit the tournament, i conceded after the first turn in last game, i had a    deck, the import fucked up and i had  mark, how i could win? cactus even said it in that post lol u have some problems to read
in last war team darkness tried to turn my win from 3-2 to a loss in 1-3 using the point "your opponent is inexperienced in pvp" , while i was still proving screenshots and after he agreed with the final result; the only to know the real truth was doctorc, not a single post by him in that thread
without arguing that game was turned in a loss, after wasting one and an half hour and 9 games because my opponent was browsing tumblr

the main difference from me and u is that AT LEAST i played 2 wars, winning one of them with the best winrate paired with spiel, if i remember correctly

u have a lot of free time and a lot of imagination, u can find other things on me (i made an op time card for the first card competition i ever joined, u can post it saying i ragequitted)

edit: i opened a thread about retrogaming 2 months ago, u can say i am not worthy to become master since i play other games
also there are two things no one knows: i ragequitted tennis irl for a knee/leg injury some years ago and karate when i was 10 years old because i didn't like it after getting the yellow belt

Manuel - I linked to the wrong tourney thread.  The tourney I saw was you passing on playing for third place because you didn't care about third place.  It's mild, but the issue there was you didn't think about your opponent or event.  You just left and did what was best for you. 

Actually, there's a bigger difference between us than you suggest both in experience and results.   It's no secret that many of us newbies won't pass trials.  I know that.  Newbies know that. Veterans know that.  We newbies need to improve our PVP-ability which is partly why we are in trials.  Only going through trials will we gain experience.  I can see how going through trials is completely different than a PVP event, leagues, or tourney.  So try we must.

If you can give newbies a hard time, others/yourself should be able to take a hard look at you, too.  Think of my comments as a suggestion to grow as a leader.  Please, keep being critical.  But find some chances to be a coach and mentori as Aves suggests.

[Manuel]

i have no way to get more votes than a competition organizer like aves, but doesn't mind i made 11/12 and i have the war bonus

Hah, no. PvP results count for a lot. I'm expecting an uphill battle in the votes from the PvP crowd. I think we'll end up with a significant number of upgrades in your favor at the end.

I'll also send a question your way. You've been fairly critical of the new people in Trials. The odds are that you'll have somebody new in your War team, so how do you plan on helping them learn the ropes? How would you choose to have them participate?

i deleted that part but lol

pvp count in the reality, but i think other than that there is a sort of "affidability" that a guy without a staff position can't have, u was chosen by the council
i was critical because i wanted people to come here and made hard questions so everyone can have fun, wait until i go in aether's thread saying sofree is a balanced card

idk if i get the last question but for helping them it really depends on the guy, someone need  some self esteem, other some tranquillity on an hypothetical loss, another one need the explanation on to not play the dragon in an otk deck without the combo, other one can be stronger than me

@kalinual it was 3 am for me with my opponent afk, that mean wait AT LEAST 30 minute online doing nothing for getting the win, i even said it to kae; u are at the point that u are simply insinuating things hoping there is something true

lol i lost this

it's one thing to be this way as a soldier/participant, it's entirely different as Master/General.

> never played war
> talks like he played 5 wars

[Blacksmith]

/grabs popcorn

Finally some old traditional drama. What would we do without it?

[shockcannon]

It's no secret that many of us newbies won't pass trials.  I know that.  Newbies know that. Veterans know that.

Don't put that evil on me. I intend to pass these trials with flying colors.

[Afdarenty]

First off, best of luck in the final battle! I'm curious to see how each of you approach it - it seems you both have a very different play style to me.

I would argue that no element has more deck building options than Air. Specifically, cards like OE, Fog, Wings, Shockwave, Thunderstorm, Skyblitz mean that you can play something as basic as a Mono deck in dozens of different styles, each with a different set of strengths and weaknesses. Often, changing a single card can be enough to turn a bad match up into a good one.

I strongly believe that the key to success with Air is to pair the right deck type (e.g. Mono, Dark Duo, Stall, Grabbow, etc) with the right support cards, while still squeezing in enough pillars to make the deck run smoothly.

On that note, why did you choose the decks you played, and the specific cards in those decks during phase 2? In hindsight, would you want to play a different deck? Would you want to build the deck you did play differently? Was the quanta balance okay? Would you make different bans?

I won't ask you to answer these questions for every deck you played - I imagine that would be quite time consuming - but I would like to hear a few thoughts even if all you say is that it was a good deck choice. At minimum I'd like to hear about the following decks, though your thoughts on other decks are also very welcome.

For Aves:

Spoiler for Aves vs STANDIN - Game 3:

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5c2 5cq 5cq 5cq 5cq 5cq 5cq 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5og 5og 5oh 5oh 5oi 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5p0 7ms 7ms 7ms 7n3 7n5 7n5 7oe 7oe 7oe 8pn

Spoiler for Aves vs deuce22 - Game 4:

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5oc 5oc 5oc 5og 5og 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh 5oh 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5on 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 718 718 718 718 718 718 71a 71a 7oe 8pk

For Manuel:

Spoiler for Manuel vs worldwideweb3 - Game 4:

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5lh 5lm 5lm 5of 5of 5of 5of 5og 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5oi 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 5pu 7k1 7k1 7k1 7k1 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 8pq

Spoiler for Manuel vs deuce22 - Game 5:

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4sr 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5oc 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5of 5op 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 5v1 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mt 7mu 7tb 7tb 7tb 8pt

[serprex]

I voted Aves because he gave well thought & persistent support for me throughout that thread

Whereas Manuel has always seem somewhat jaded from my brief exposure. RNG giveth, but really RNG taketh away. Never blame it, never expect of it, always accept it

So, gl in trials Aves

[Manuel]

i also supported u in that that thread lmao

[Aves]

Thanks, serp! Your support is much appreciated. On the other hand, he just gave a counterexample to me in saying that PvP matters to votes...

[Linkcat]

Manuel, why are you Trialling for Air? Is Air your favorite element?

[ARTHANASIOS]

I voted Aves because he gave well thought & persistent support for me throughout that thread

Whereas Manuel has always seem somewhat jaded from my brief exposure. RNG giveth, but really RNG taketh away. Never blame it, never expect of it, always accept it

So, gl in trials Aves

About that old discussion, I have to say that I've changed my mind and I do not think hydras are a bad thing anymore; my prespective changed when DoctorC joined our community. I also need to apologize to serprex for some things that I've said back then.