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LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg251645#msg251645
« on: January 19, 2011, 03:36:26 am »
Game 1: I win. My mutated 1|6 pest with devour which passively keeps converting  :darkness quanta to power itself saved the day.
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Game 2: I win. Same deck this time I got my discord though and was able to slow flying adren staves down. Fallen druid mutated those staffs so he had no chance to heal.

Game 3: Will wins. Fire/dragons vs Fire/dragons. Will had the larger deck though and decked me (desynched but I had already lost so I gave it to Will)

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Game 4: I win. Not really sure what he was aiming for with a reverse time/scorpions/thorn carapace. I got 2 early earthquakes and pretty much set him back 6 turns. By the end my scorpions had 27 poison on will and the late thorn carapace couldnt stop them. I EMed with like 130+ hp.
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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg251653#msg251653
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2011, 03:52:10 am »
RNG stabs me in the back again; reminds me of exactly what I dislike in PvP Events like this.

Game 1:  LOSS
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Game 2:  LOSS
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Game 3:  WIN
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Game 4:  LOSS
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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg251662#msg251662
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2011, 04:08:08 am »
sorry will. That first match was ridiculous. How I managed to get a self powered devouring 1|6 creature on my first mutation, and then a phase dragon with devour on my second mutation I will never know. Didn't know you had miracles either! wow I really did get lucky!



It does seem a tad unfair I suppose but I don't know what we would do about mutation in pvp as those decks are highly volatile and could lose just as easily as win. Banning it seems unfair. The only real way is to increase the number of duels if a mutation/fate egg deck is involved. Maybe going to "best of x+1" to win or something.


PS that was not the deck you actually used. Yours had cockatrices not frogs. Pretty much the same thing though.

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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg251670#msg251670
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2011, 04:16:37 am »
Good job wizelsnarf, I wish you luck in the finals (I have no doubt that I will not get the 40% more votes needed to overtake you in the standings)  May the coin flip and the RNG serve you in the finals as well as it did for these matches.

Yes, I am still slightly bitter by how slight of a hair I lost our last match, and how effective you are at mutating what you need... but such is life.

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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg251682#msg251682
« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2011, 04:40:20 am »
It does seem a tad unfair I suppose but I don't know what we would do about mutation in pvp as those decks are highly volatile and could lose just as easily as win. Banning it seems unfair. The only real way is to increase the number of duels if a mutation/fate egg deck is involved. Maybe going to "best of x+1" to win or something.
That statement is exactly why I have such a bitter taste from that duel.  I would NEVER ever consider using Mutation for a legitimate PvP deck because while there is a chance to get ungodly creatures, there is just as great a chance of you getting screwed by your own creation.  So you're basically leaving the duel up to a coin flip on top of any disadvantages already aimed at you which is a coin flip in itself; that's not strategy at all, that's letting luck rule the entire duel.  Now I'm not making these claims because I lost; I've already made it quite clear that I simply want the most qualified person to win.  Here is what concerns me:  I simply cannot believe that anyone would rely on such a deck as their first choice during an Event like this, it practically screams that you had no hope of winning to begin with.  This is not what I would hope to see from a master because I fear of what would occur during the war or other events because of it.  Would you simply decide from the beginning, "Well hell, let's just go with this and see what happens"?  That kind of indecisive attitude is not a good way of keeping morale high during such an event.  So in conclusion, I'm not upset because I lost, I'm disappointed in your actions; I'm extremely nervous about the voting phase now.

PS that was not the deck you actually used. Yours had cockatrices not frogs. Pretty much the same thing though.
Aye, thanks for pointing that out, I had forgotten that I made that switch at the last minute.  Fixed now.
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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg251703#msg251703
« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2011, 05:04:24 am »
Sorry you feel that way will.

If you look at my deck I have two Druids and and Elf. I was relying on discord more than them, but didn't get it and they came up earlier than discord.

I know you think it is lazy of me to use them, but I had 2 druids and an elf because I had the startegy to use the elf as CC and the druids to buff my creatures. Now it was ridiculous what I got in our match but I used this same deck versus ak65ala and I ended up using the Elf as CC.

So my point is these decks aren't as thoughtless as you claim them  to be, but I understand your annoyance in somebody taking a risk rather than relying on cold calculation.

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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg253836#msg253836
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2011, 02:46:11 am »
Now it was ridiculous what I got in our match but I used this same deck versus ak65ala and I ended up using the Elf as CC.
This is half-way true.  In the game that it mattered, the elves were used to generate flying creatures to by-pass my wings in an otherwise grounded deck.  I did not bring out a single creature till the last turn for you to CC, and then it was your mutated 8/8 phase dragon with devour that was the main problem. 

In the other game, he mutated 1 of my dragons into an abomination, removing 5 potential damage, but since I had 1 chicken and 4 frogs, and then the abomination... it didn't matter. 

I lose because of a coin toss, I win because of a coin toss.  I lose because I cannot draw what I need, I win because I draw exactly what I need.  I lose because of a mutated 8/8 flying devouring phase dragon, I win because all his mutations kill his creatures.  This game has some randomness to it.  Play chess if you don't want to deal with luck, but I don't think we could/would ever want to take the random out of this game. 

The thing I am sad about is mine and wizelsnarf's 5th game, I had a better draw and a better start then him (won the coin toss, he said he had a so/so hand, mine was amazing) and a dy-sync happened.  That is what I want to see out of this game.  I am totally cool being lucky/un-lucky.  I hate having my luck taken from me and I dislike getting a second chance off of a network mistake.  But.... that is a different subject for a different time.

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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg253863#msg253863
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2011, 03:25:41 am »
I think we all agree that desynchs are the bane of PVP playing. I think that is the number one thing people want to have fixed or at least reduced.

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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg253868#msg253868
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2011, 03:35:03 am »
I think we all agree that desynchs are the bane of PVP playing. I think that is the number one thing people want to have fixed or at least reduced.
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Re: LIFE trials: wizelsnarf 3 - willng3 1 https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=19859.msg253967#msg253967
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2011, 05:40:41 am »
Yes! Something we can all agree on!!  Now I can go to bed with a clear head and a happy heart.

 

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