TRIALS - Challenge a Master, Become a Master

[Antagon]

i would like just all banned cards, so every master has one choice (of his element, which is his right) and trials will be every time very new (if other cards are chosen, which will be very likely, i think).

[Bloodshadow]

I think a Master should be able to ban one card from ANY element during his OWN trial.

[TheOwner]

i would like just all banned cards, so every master has one choice (of his element, which is his right) and trials will be every time very new (if other cards are chosen, which will be very likely, i think).

Now that I think about it... I second Antagon.

[Scaredgirl]

it would be much more fun, if you make the final battle (or even better: also the challenger battles) with a "custom card list".

that means, every master is able to "ban" one card of his element.

now two options:

a) challengers and masters are not able to use the banned card of "their" element.

b) challengers and masters are not able to use the banned cards of all elements. (i would really like that)


the reasons for this system:
now it is easy for challengers and for the final battle, you can find really good decks of your element from last trials archive, and a challenger just have to rebuild it (and maybe add 1-2 "new" popular ideas with the new cards, like fractal phoenix'/frogs/chargers/devourers etc.) and thats then again some kind of rock-paper-scissors.
with the banned-card-system we would see a lot of new, fascinating deck ideas, it really tests deck-building skills of the players (not copy-paste skills) and no trial-event will be like the others.

Disadvantage of this system is that it makes the already small card pool of Elements even smaller, limiting deckbuilding, without bringing anything new to the table.

Why not have a system when I can ban say.. 3 cards (any cards), and only my opponent cannot use them. I can still use them. My opponent bans 3 cards too at the same time (he can ban the same cards). This way would limit deckbuilding because there would be less cards available BUT it would open up new possibilities in terms of strategy.

[Antagon]

or make that with the master choice, but not ALL cards are banned from own trials, master could choose 3, noone could use (1 of own element and 2 of others) at HIS/HER trials. for example i ban deflagration, icy bans dimission shield, xdude miracle and terroking earthquake, in my(fire) trials banned is deflag for sure, and i could choose 2 of the master choices, for example (here) i take earthquake and dim.shield.


i think banning cards for opponents is a bit too complicated, cause they could be different for every match, and i think choice of banned cards shouldnt make the difference, deckbuilding should, with a "new" card pool, same for all challengers+masters (at least trial for trial)

[RavingRabbid]

Bloodshadow banning Holy Light.

[Kael Hate]

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Suggested Rule

Elemental Title
Elemental Masters Determine the conditions they play on.
Before the end of Phase 1 the Master may Dictate up to 3 cards and/or Marks. The cards/marks must be from different elements. Those cards/marks may not be used during Phase 3 Battle or Phase 4 Final Battle when running Trials for his element.
Does this work?
Doesn't require other masters interaction. Can lock out dominate deck types forcing creativity. Imagine an earth deck without a mark of time for graboids. Easy enough to police. Effects both sides so the ground is even.

[Scaredgirl]

Does this work?

Nope because it gives the Master an advantage. Both the Master and the challenger banning cards makes more sense and opens up new possibilities.

Lets say I want to build a specific deck for Final Battle. I will then ban the 3 cards that are best counter to my deck, giving me an advantage. But of course the opponent is doing the same thing.

In other words, instead of simply building my deck, I'm building my deck AND "unbuilding" the deck of my opponent.

[Kael Hate]

Does this work?

Nope because it gives the Master an advantage. Both the Master and the challenger banning cards makes more sense and opens up new possibilities.

Lets say I want to build a specific deck for Final Battle. I will then ban the 3 cards that are best counter to my deck, giving me an advantage. But of course the opponent is doing the same thing.

In other words, instead of simply building my deck, I'm building my deck AND "unbuilding" the deck of my opponent.

Ah, ok now that explains what you were saying before.
The rule I presented is a deliberate advantage to the Master in choice but not in play. If we don't want to see that it won't work. There is also the fact that both Master and Challengers have a limited pool already having to play half the chosen element which causes mirror matches to be more common.

[Kael Hate]

Suggested Rule (attempt 2)

Elemental Title
Elemental Masters Determine the conditions they play on.
Before the end of Phase 1 the Master may Dictate up to 3 cards and/or Marks. The cards/marks must be from different elements. Those cards/marks may not be used during Phase 3 Battle or Phase 4 Final Battle by challengers when running Trials for his element.

When the challenger aproaches he may call out the Master and force him to not use 3 cards and/or marks just as the Master did. The Master may use any cards except those called on him. The Challenger must still battle without the 3 cards as dictated by the Master.
Does this work?
No need for measuring banned cards until the Challenger steps up. All Challengers are aware of what has been banned. Still easy to police.

[coinich]

I ban , , and pillars from being used in the trials.

[kev]

Whatever the rules are, I'd like them to be set soon.  I just spent thousads of electrum upping cards for use against Antagon (should I make it that far), and now I may not be able to use them.

SG, I know there's a lot on your plate right now.  Would it be possible just to get an idea of when the final details of the War will be concluded and the first phase of the Trials will commence?