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Elements the Game => Trials => Events and Competitions => Trial Archive => Topic started by: xdude on December 30, 2010, 10:10:52 pm
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Here you will post all Trial related talk - betting, strategy discussion and whatever else you want (as long as it's related to the Trials, of course).
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Trials look insanely tough this time :) I will look foward to it.
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Im scared aether is looking pretty intense. Anyways trials are always an amazing thing making this forum go wild
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We now have a new elimination system for people in overpopulated Trials. Read more here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,18556.msg252700.html#new)
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*pumps fist*
This is electric! It'll be goddamn epic. Best case scenario, I beat icb 5-4 in finals.
On a side note, I hope Light, Earth and Water get some new masters this time. Current ones are all good; I just want some variety. Aside from that, I know a couple people I'll vote for. I know them, and they're my best community friends. It just so happens all of them would make great mastahs. x)
Go Napalm, will, pepo, jmdt, Kael and GG!
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Let the Sparks fly and the Lightning crackle. This will be epic. So epic, in fact, that it might just Labotomize your Mindgate if you're not careful.
Let the Trials begin :)
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How is the scoring going to be done this time around? Do we want to do it the same again? Should certain categories be more weighted? I always thought that the actual dueling should account for a large chunk of the points.
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Only 23000 score away from the requirement...
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Here we go...
Can anyone knock-off the 3 ever-lasting masters?
(Yes, I said that just because it nearly rhymed)
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underworld? :underworld 8)
gl for all trials, hope all new and old masters will make good jobs!
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These trials are my first. I hope for the best, and I am glad I stepped up for the challenge :)
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Earth's master will be unseated, I'm coming for you terro...
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Well, Gravity filled up quickly(and is promising to unseat me, if I don't do something about it)... :/
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I hope i can join :time trial before it's filled up...
:-X
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Lol. So I finally managed to grab my points. And I'm going there to
lose badly win, using flying horses, Xdude!
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Why is everybody so quiet? Here's something for you to do: Guess the Top 3 in the Masters' tourney, in that exact same order. Person who does that before Round 1 ends gets Karma/vote in Trials from me. I'm gonna start, though I can't karma myself :P
- xdude
- Kael Hate
- Girls Generation
Round 1 has ended.
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1. Xinef
2. Kael Hate
3. xdude
I have different plans xdude. :P
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1. GirlsGeneration
2. kevkev60614
3. Kael Hate
random guessing won me the War bet :D
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oh wait, it didn't
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now that i think about it, it lost me the war bet
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right..
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MrBlonde
Xdude
Zeru
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1stGirlsGeneration
2ndkillz
3rdxdude
i believe essence forfeited
epic fail
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1stGirlsGeneration
2ndGl1tch
xdude
i believe essence forfeited
epic fail
I believe Gl1tch is not a Master.
Epic fail.
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1:xpotato
2:Potaeto Hate
3:MrBlonde
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1. kevkev
2. xdude
3. Kael Hate
Edit: I tried to go through match by match to see who I thought would win individual matchup, yet somehow I still made an impossible prediction. This one is now actually possible.
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1.Killsdazombies
2. Girlsgeneration
3. kevkev60614
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1. xdude
2. kael hate
3. killsdazombies
go xdude! i trust you and the powers of light :P
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1. MrBlonde
2. xdude
3. GG
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1stGirlsGeneration
2ndGl1tch
xdude
i believe essence forfeited
epic fail
I believe Gl1tch is not a Master.
Epic fail.
whatever
and Gl1tch now reaches a whole new level of awesome. Well done Gl1tch.
My bet:
Girlsgeneration
Zeru
kevkev60614
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Well:
1st: GirlsGeneration
2nd: Zeru
3rd: xdude
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1. Kael Hate
2. GirlsGeneration
3. xdude
I have complete faith in :darkness :)
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1. GirlsGeneration
2. xdude
3. Kael Hate
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1st - GG.
2nd - Xdude
3rd - Essence.
Have faith on water.
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1st - GG.
2nd - Xdude
3rd - Essence.
Have faith on water.
i'd bet essence at the first spot but he's not here ;)
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I've only been able to follow GG's matches, but she's ploughing through the competition. This is reflected in the number of bets on her as the winner. She's been a miracle-worker so far.. so I will certainly add my vote to support her.
1. GirlsGeneration
2. Zeru
3. kevkev60614
It's a toss-up between Mrblonde, kev and Zeru for me. There are just too many variables to say for sure, so I'll just wing it.
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O_o Amazing how so many people have faith in me... thank you and I won't let you down XD
I'm going to do the same as xdude; whoever guesses the order right gets a karma and a vote :D and a hug as well if you guessed me as the winner.
My votes
1. GirlsGeneration
2. Zeru
3. xdude
It's impressive how Trials are much more popular now compared to the past two... There's still like 3 days left for signup and there are only one or two elements with open spots (one of them being the Overseer's element. coincidence?) . O_o
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O_o Amazing how so many people have faith in me... thank you and I won't let you down XD
I'm going to do the same as xdude; whoever guesses the order right gets a karma and a vote :D and a hug as well if you guessed me as the winner.
My votes
1. GirlsGeneration
2. Zeru
3. xdude
It's impressive how Trials are much more popular now compared to the past two... There's still like 3 days left for signup and there are only one or two elements with open spots (one of them being the Overseer's element. coincidence?) . O_o
And the requirements are 4 times higher than last times :P
Btw, some of you (even some more important members) have made bets which can't possibly happen. Oh well, not like I care anyways.
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Do you mean putting two people who have already lost in their top three?
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Do you mean putting two people who have already lost in their top three?
Finally, somebody figured it out. Good job!
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1. girlsgeneration
2. xdude
3. Xinef
Hugs are irresistible... and I guess if gg wins, putting myself on 2nd place would be kinda stupid, so 3rd place... hoping for a group hug xD
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It's impressive how Trials are much more popular now compared to the past two... There's still like 3 days left for signup and there are only one or two elements with open spots (one of them being the Overseer's element. coincidence?) . O_o
Yeah. I thought Light would fill like wild fire, Fire itself got 8 people applying and Gravity, the one that I thought only I and PhantomFox would join, got so many people in it within one day it was "Wtf"-able.
I really wish some people would join Light, though. =P
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It's impressive how Trials are much more popular now compared to the past two... There's still like 3 days left for signup and there are only one or two elements with open spots (one of them being the Overseer's element. coincidence?) . O_o
Yeah. I thought Light would fill like wild fire, Fire itself got 8 people applying and Gravity, the one that I thought only I and PhantomFox would join, got so many people in it within one day it was "Wtf"-able.
I really wish some people who are allowed to join the Trials would join Light, though. =P
Fix'd
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1. Mrblonde
2. xdude
3. Kael Hate
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1. xdude
2. Kael Hate
3. girlsgeneration
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My bets:
1.xdude
2.Kael Hate
3.MrBlonde
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1. Kael Hate
2. xdude
3. girlsgeneration
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Earth, water, and light all have one spot left. It would be nice to see all trials full and well contested. Each of the elements that is still open is surprising in its own way. Earth is a popular element that I would have expected to fill up pretty quickly. Water was hotly contested last trials and had probably the best competition between challengers last time around. Light seems to be gaining fans quickly and a strong performance in both wars (though I don't think either ended as the team would have liked) and seemed like it would fill up quickly from early talk. Hopefully 3 more people will step up and we will have a full trials for each element.
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1st: Kael Hate
2nd: GirlsGeneration
3rd: Kevkev60614
Sorry xdude, this is what I think :) (you're 4th by the way).
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1. xdude
2. kael hate
3. GG
My bets, i believe they shall be close :)
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
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1. GirlsGeneraiton ;)
2. xdude
3. Kael Hate (that vamp deck is a killer... but careful of holy lights :P)
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
You're not in my top 3. I could go back and edit you in but that would be cheating.
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
You're not in my top 3. I could go back and edit you in but that would be cheating.
Thanks for agreeing with me that I was only considered for the top 3 only after I actually got there.
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
You're not in my top 3. I could go back and edit you in but that would be cheating.
Thanks for agreeing with me that I was only considered for the top 3 only after I actually got there.
You can simply look when the posts were posted/edited to see if it's before or after, I for one bid on you before you battled ::)
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I voted for you kael only because you use the epic element...
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
You're not in my top 3. I could go back and edit you in but that would be cheating.
Thanks for agreeing with me that I was only considered for the top 3 only after I actually got there.
To be fair, it would be rather silly to not put you there after you were guaranteed to place.
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1 st GG
2 nd KH
3 rd xdude
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
You're not in my top 3. I could go back and edit you in but that would be cheating.
Thanks for agreeing with me that I was only considered for the top 3 only after I actually got there.
You can simply look when the posts were posted/edited to see if it's before or after, I for one bid on you before you battled ::)
You did too. Apologies to those that did actually have me in there lists pre-win.
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Lol I'm in the Top3 for everyones bets, but only now after xdude said I'm guaranteed to get 3rd or better from current results.
You're not in my top 3. I could go back and edit you in but that would be cheating.
No, it wouldn't. Giving an advantage to people who post their bets later is unfair.
EDIT: Just saying, bets are closed
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What is the prize for winning bets?? ;D
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Bets still going:
truddy02:
Lol yes, that's about it haha. So, seems like we won't have karma spam :P Interesting how many people lost 'cause of GG.
EDIT: Also, Kamietsu and Anothebrother have backed from Trials due to personal issues.
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Interesting how many people lost 'cause of GG.
Again. >.< She messed up my war bet too.
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I think it's weird that people are surprised that :earth beat :entropy in this format...
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I think it's weird that it's in this format...
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I think it's weird that it's in this format...
It makes most sense theme-wise. Please propose a better format which to be still mono vs mono and we will analyze it for the next Masters' Tourney.
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you need at least 50% of your cards being your element, any mark, any card not your elements has to be unupped (any card of your element can be upped or unupped), one ban from each player
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you need at least 50% of your cards being your element, any mark, any card not your elements has to be unupped (any card of your element can be upped or unupped), one ban from each player
So basically Master of Aether and Master of Darkness can have a Mirror match? Not OK. The theme is having the Masters prove the superiority of their element, by pwning everybody with it. Not using some of your element's cards as fillers and playing half a deck (which we'd get, as you can see in the War).
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I have a suggestion that would help the mono deck problem a little but is impractical.
Instead of a double elimination tournament you could do a double round robin tournament. (2-0=1, 1-1=.5, 0-2=0) Elements with the highest score suffer a tiebreaker system.
Maybe a limited round robin where each Master only faces a subset of the total. (subset chosen randomly and changes every Trials)
A Swiss tournament could also work
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not mirrored
darkness with have upped dark cards
aether would have upped aether cards
:P
or make it 80% or 90% percent...
mono with bans is just not fair in a lot of matchups, as u can see in all these battles....
or remove the ban system, but then earth would rule due to EQ (I suppose immo can be that...)
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I really liked Trials 2, where IIRC we could use 6 cards of any element and the rest had to be mono. That really opened up a lot of options, especially for the heavily focused elements like :life and :water . I don't know what was wrong with that idea.
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The problem is, as demonstrated, no brilliant play could save some of these matchups. The point is NOT to prove your element is superior, but to use your PvP ability to get a better position for the final battle of the trials.
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Exactly -- the thing about your element being superior is neat and all, but these rules literally just unnecessarily benefit the Masters with strong PVP elements and hamper those without them.
I think after 2 Wars and 2 Trials, we can all admit that some elements just plain PVP better -- and there's no particular reason why that fluke of game design should mean that those Masters consistently get more upgraded cards to fight their Trials with.
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Exactly -- the thing about your element being superior is neat and all, but these rules literally just unnecessarily benefit the Masters with strong PVP elements and hamper those without them.
I think after 2 Wars and 2 Trials, we can all admit that some elements just plain PVP better -- and there's no particular reason why that fluke of game design should mean that those Masters consistently get more upgraded cards to fight their Trials with.
This. The fact that some elements can just take 1 deck every game and be unbeatable is just stupid and a huge disadvantage to the losing masters while a big advantage to the winners.
I agree with Essence: Up to 6 off-element cards would fix pretty much all the problems. People could splash any control they needed and most elements (e.g. Time) could actually make some real decks.
(Not to bash Time, but all it gets in the mono-rule is Pharoah or Dragon Rush. Easily counterable)
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A minimum and maximum would work well. Minimum of 50-60% your element, maximum 70%-80%. Just depends on what the trial master wants, and they wouldn't need to fall under those ranges, either. Also, it might be more interesting if masters could ban one card from each element before the first round, then those bans are permanent for those masters. So if you banned all of the alchemy cards, none of your opponents could use them.
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Amazing how I called the winner's bracket perfectly (up to this point), but failed with the loser's (namely, blonde's match)
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I'm sorry to say, but I'll have to withdraw from Trials. I'll have to travel a lot for the next few weeks, and I doubt I'll have enough spare time to devote to trials. My girlfriend is a violin player, and she has series of concerts in a region and I finally decided to tag along, and maybe seal a business deal or two on those fancy dinners after concerts. ;D
I will carry a laptop with me, and follow up whats going on here when I get connection, so good luck to all participants!
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Coinich and Malduk have quit the Trials.
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Hey, I won the predictions. Nice job by kevkev coming all the way back to win after losing round 1.
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Half the people betting got it wrong because they bet on GG. Massive fail bets are win.
Coinich and Malduk have quit the Trials.
So did Phantom Fox, :gravity
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patchx94 or aznkid66 has quit the trials.
i hope that someone with less score than me didn't turn away from air trials because i was in :(
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I think for next trials, if you're going to have the Master's Tourney run during Phase 1, you should give the Masters time through the end of Phase 2 to finish their articles/card ideas/HB decks/etc.
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I think for next trials, if you're going to have the Master's Tourney run during Phase 1, you should give the Masters time through the end of Phase 2 to finish their articles/card ideas/HB decks/etc.
Would have been nice.
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Interesting, how voting was moved to 3rd phase... I will be curious to see how many people will make it to the final battle with placing second in the PvP stage. 40% is a huge amount to make up... I figure most people with now only vote for the master and the winner of the PvP event... making the vote between the other losers to be throw away votes. Could be wrong though.
He're hoping I get a massive influx of votes (hahahaaa, I will cry laughing if that happens. Never in a million years.)
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Voting could make a big difference if not all people scored equal points in phase 1. For example the person getting first in the battles got only 5 points in phase one and the person getting second got 10 points from phase 1. In that case voting does decide who gets to face the master.
But just that the challenger would already be pretty much set does not mean you shouldn't vote on her/him! (or specifically, me :P) Amount of upgrades can make the difference between a victory and a loss in the final battle.
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Voting could make a big difference if not all people scored equal points in phase 1. For example the person getting first in the battles got only 5 points in phase one and the person getting second got 10 points from phase 1. In that case voting does decide who gets to face the master.
But just that the challenger would already be pretty much set does not mean you shouldn't vote on her/him! (or specifically, me :P) Amount of upgrades can make the difference between a victory and a loss in the final battle.
I (almost) quote TORB.
But after thinking about it, I would to suggest a modify for next trials...
This time what makes the difference for challengers is, above all, battle phase (in this case, phase 2). Phase 1 was not selective, because a challenger received a score not for the quality of his work, but only to have done it.
And community vote phase (phase 3) unlikely will be decisive and able to overturn the results obtained so far. (After this, I will be kicked out from time trial by community vote...lulz...)
So, my suggestion is: to mantain the spirit of phase 1 (a proof of worthiness helpful for the community), but all challengers works should be evaluate by a jury.
How? Every challenger will be submit his work by PM to an organizer member (or to his master, why not?), and a jury will evaluate all works (without knowing who did it, just a way to mantain things...honest...)
The jury could have formed by all masters, and a master couldn't vote for his element works...
I hope I wasnt' too...intricated...
;)
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That's an interesting suggestion Spike. I think current Masters would be best but even the Council could possibly do it. You could possibly split Phase 3 into 2 parts, a populist vote and an "elite" vote. I do like the idea of people looking at the quality of work both in the writing done in Phase 1 and the deck-building done in Phase 2.
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WHEN DOTH PHASE THREE BEGIN?
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Something has been talked about in chat occasionally, and somebody wants me to mention it to the Council personally, but I figured posting it here is better than keeping it completely private.
Should somebody continue Trials if they have been (as I'm told) perma-banned from chat? Chat is very much a part of being participle with the community, plus being banned there shouldn't be taken lightly. I understand somebody can take a joke too far or occasionally makes too many comment whilst being angry, but receiving multiple bans, or one long ban, I believe, should be punishable in the Trial system.
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Something has been talked about in chat occasionally, and somebody wants me to mention it to the Council personally, but I figured posting it here is better than keeping it completely private.
Should somebody continue Trials if they have been (as I'm told) perma-banned from chat? Chat is very much a part of being participle with the community, plus being banned there shouldn't be taken lightly. I understand somebody can take a joke too far or occasionally makes too many comment whilst being angry, but receiving multiple bans, or one long ban, I believe, should be punishable in the Trial system.
Yikes... if you are perma-banned from chat i'm thinking that definitely should have an affect on becoming a Master. If you can't be in chat it makes being a general in War very difficult. And like Dragoon mentions being in chat is a part of being part of the community.
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I'm with MrBlonde and 1140.
Sorry ICB, they have very valid points.
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Subject change! Where's phase 3?
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I miss the "None of the Above" Vote.
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I understand the voting phase was moved to Phase 3 to prevent people from becoming mathematically eliminated, thus having a less exciting Trial. This has been accomplished, but at the cost of having a less exciting poll. People already know who is, for most Trials, going to be in the finals.
This is best fixed from a suggestion by johannhowitzer:
I have one suggestion for the next Trial - a closer point differential for phase 2. With the votes in phase 3 likely being much more of an even split, a 10-6-4-0 spread makes it extremely unlikely to recover from even second place, and nearly impossible to recover from third and fourth. A 10-8-6-5 spread or some such would be a bit less fate-sealing and allow the potential for comebacks, without making phase 2 meaningless. With 10-8-6-5, a second-placer in the battles could win with 40% over his rival's 20%... and someone who placed fourth would need 70% of the vote to overcome the same.
Right now, since I placed 4th in Phase 2 (in an element with no Master, no less), I need 60% of the vote (50% had the War Bonus stayed) just to tie with 2nd place of Phase 2, and this is assuming that the 2nd place person attains very few votes.
This is not a complaining post, of course, I just want to rectify this so that the next Trials are considered much better than any before among the community. We want suspense, not massive point spreads.
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it does say to post any trials links in here so i guess i will
my Aether Speech
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I have one suggestion for the next Trial - a closer point differential for phase 2. With the votes in phase 3 likely being much more of an even split, a 10-6-4-0 spread makes it extremely unlikely to recover from even second place, and nearly impossible to recover from third and fourth. A 10-8-6-5 spread or some such would be a bit less fate-sealing and allow the potential for comebacks, without making phase 2 meaningless. With 10-8-6-5, a second-placer in the battles could win with 40% over his rival's 20%... and someone who placed fourth would need 70% of the vote to overcome the same.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. Maybe not the point totals, but the thoughts behind it. With the exception of Elements that don't have a Master competing, Phase 3 is basically how many upgraded cards the two - already been decided competitors - are going to get.
10-6-4-0 is perfect for when 4 people are going for 2 spots. The winner gets 10 points and is in the final battle regardless of the votes. 2nd and 3rd are essentially competing for the last spot, with 4th place have an outside chance.
10-6-4-0 for when 4 people are going for 1 spot, as stated before, eliminates 3 people before the vote. Mainly because, with the Master included in the vote, there's just not enough votes to make up the 4 points.
10-8-6-5 I don't totally agree with these points. I think that if someone gets last place, they should really be eliminated. Maybe (10-8-6-4 or 10-8-5-4)
Anyways, just my 2 cents.
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...and also, I don't think the winner of WAR should have to compete for his Master position.
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My problem with the Phases, is that in phase 1 there is no direct competition. Everyone has the potential to earn a full 10, or an empty 0. Not much drama here.
In phase 2, only one person can get a full 10, however the votes are not directly levied against each other. (The master is exempt from this)
In phase 3, everybody is competing directly against each other for the points. One vote earned means one vote taken off someone else.
(In a way, this is how it should be since I have never seen popularity votes as the best way of doing things, however some balance in the way points are awarded would be the best way to go IMO)
(And curiosity has gotten the better of me, which Elements were you reffering to when you wanted a 'None of the Above' option Kael?)
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I understand the voting phase was moved to Phase 3 to prevent people from becoming mathematically eliminated, thus having a less exciting Trial. This has been accomplished, but at the cost of having a less exciting poll. People already know who is, for most Trials, going to be in the finals.
This is best fixed from a suggestion by johannhowitzer:
I have one suggestion for the next Trial - a closer point differential for phase 2. With the votes in phase 3 likely being much more of an even split, a 10-6-4-0 spread makes it extremely unlikely to recover from even second place, and nearly impossible to recover from third and fourth. A 10-8-6-5 spread or some such would be a bit less fate-sealing and allow the potential for comebacks, without making phase 2 meaningless. With 10-8-6-5, a second-placer in the battles could win with 40% over his rival's 20%... and someone who placed fourth would need 70% of the vote to overcome the same.
Right now, since I placed 4th in Phase 2 (in an element with no Master, no less), I need 60% of the vote (50% had the War Bonus stayed) just to tie with 2nd place of Phase 2, and this is assuming that the 2nd place person attains very few votes.
This is not a complaining post, of course, I just want to rectify this so that the next Trials are considered much better than any before among the community. We want suspense, not massive point spreads.
Why would the person going last deserve any points? To me, the only Trial problems would be Phase 1 and the tens of points being given away pretty easy there.
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Okay Phase 3. Is this Trial questioning, deckbuilding session, or just major hazing?
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Okay Phase 3. Is this Trial questioning, deckbuilding session, or just major hazing?
It is voting. You are not obliged to do anything.
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Final battles are here!
Aether: Higurashi (26) vs pikachufan2164 (17) !
Air : QuantumT (25) vs Hyroen (20) !
Darkness: Theonlyrealbeef (26) vs Kael Hate (23) !
Death: Thatnewguy (23) vs MrBlonde (23) !
Earth: Kakerlake (22) vs Terroking (18) !
Entropy: Zeru (27) vs Amilir (18) !
Fire: kevkev60614 (31) vs Napalm Grenade (24) !
Gravity: majofa (25) vs GirlsGeneration (23) !
Life: Wizelsnarf (21) vs Killdazombies (10) !
Light: xdude (28) vs Ryan666 (21) !
Time: SpikeSpiegel (23) vs Xinef (9) !
Water: RavingRabbid (24) vs nilsieboy (21) !
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I hope that the next trials that come out are like last years, which were in my opinion, alot better then this years. The master fight was more fair, you weren't heavily restricted in and to writing.
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My bet goes to these people. Good luck everyone and please.. have fun!
| :aether | Higurashi | :air | QuantumT | :darkness | Kael Hate |
| :death | Thatnewguy | :earth | Terroking | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | kevkev60614 | :gravity | GirlsGeneration | :life | Killdazombies |
| :light | xdude | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | nilsieboy |
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*snatching Suxerz' table*
| :aether | Higurashi | :air | QuantumT | :darkness | TheOnlyRealBeef |
| :death | MrBlonde | :earth | Kakerlake | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | kevkev60614 | :gravity | majofa | :life | Wizelsnarf |
| :light | xdude | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | RavingRabbid (uuuuuuh) |
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| :aether | Higurashi | :air | Hyroen | :darkness | TheOnlyRealBeef |
| :death | MrBlonde | :earth | Terroking | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | kevkev60614 | :gravity | majofa | :life | Killsdazombies |
| :light | xdude | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | RavingRabbid |
My Predictions.
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:darkness Theonlyrealbeef
:death MrBlonde
:water RavingRabbid
:air Hyroen
:aether pikachufan2164
:life wizelsnarf
:time SpikeSpiegel
:gravity majofa
:earth Terroking
:fire Napalm Grenade
:entropy Amilir
:light xdude
Yes, I seriously only have 3 of the masters winning.
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Final battles are here!
Death: Thatnewguy (24) vs MrBlonde (23) !
Hey Xdude, you have 2 different totals for me and TNG. 24-23 here and 23-23 in the standings. Which one is correct? I'm assuming this one is incorrect since 24-23 means that DD only received 1 point for 22% worth of votes.
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| :aether | Higurashi | :air | QuantumT | :darkness | theonlyrealbeef |
| :death | mrblonde | :earth | Terroking | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | napalm grenade | :gravity | majofa | :life | wizelsnarf |
| :light | ryan666 | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | nilsieboy |
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Who I want to win the final battles. So please make sure they go accordingly.
| :aether | Higurashi | :air | - | :darkness | TheOnlyRealBeef |
| :death | - | :earth | Terroking | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | kevkev60614 | :gravity | Majofa | :life | Wizelsnarf |
| :light | xdude | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | RavingRabbid |
And thanks suxers for the beautiful table!
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My predictions which are not in all cases my wishes (on 2 I wish for a different result, and on 1 I am neutral. Have fun guessing :P).
:aether Higurashi
:air QuantumT
:darkness TheonlyrealBeef
:death MrBlonde
:earth Terroking
:entropy Zeru
:fire kevkev60614
:gravity majofa
:life wizelsnarf
:light xdude
:time SpikeSpiegel
:water RavingRabbid
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| :aether | -- | :air | QuantumT | :darkness | TheonlyrealBeef |
| :death | Thatnewguy | :earth | Terroking | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | kevkev60614 | :gravity | majofa | :life | wizelsnarf |
| :light | xdude | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | nilsieboy |
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:aether Hugs all the way
:air QT
:darkness TORB
:death TNG
:earth Terro
:entropy Amilr
:fire ?
:gravity GG
:life KDZ
:light xdude
:time SS
:water RR
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Aw, I'm told to be people's bet.
>_>
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Tee hee.. Glad that my table can be useful. Btw, would love if anyone with a confirmed match schedule post the time here too.
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My little predictions just because predicting is fun. ;)
:aether - Higurashi wins hands down.
:air - QuantumT, although I don't know much of both players.
:darkness - TorB has the best bans - although banning EA instead of SoG was clever.
:death - tng has obvious advantages.
:earth - Terroking has the edge.
:entropy - Zeru has a great advantage.
:fire - Kevkev wins.
:gravity - I say GG because she knows her element inside out.
:life - very difficult, kdz has better bans, I say he can make it.
:light - xdude.
:time - Spike, too much advantage.
:water - nilsieboy has the better bans.
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| :aether | Higurashi | :air | QuantumT | :darkness | TheonlyrealBeef |
| :death | MrBlonde | :earth | Terroking | :entropy | Zeru |
| :fire | Napalm Grenade | :gravity | GG | :life | Wizelsnarf |
| :light | Xdude | :time | SpikeSpiegel | :water | Nilsieboy |
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My take on everyone's ban (with the disclaimer that I haven't thought about these nearly as much as they probably have. I'm sure they have good reasons why they picked the cards they did):
Higurashi vs pikachufan2164
It's interesting that pikachufan didn't bother banning any PC. It makes for an interesting dilemma for Higs because now she has to decide whether or not to "waste" 2-3 card slots on Explosions she may not need. Antimatter and Immolation seem like weak bans though. Most of Aether's creatures are immortal or Fractal'd and Phase Spider is weak to CC. Without Immolation, Fractix is slowed, but Aether Pends make it a viable deck still. Higs did a pretty good job blocking alternate damage and Momentum'd creatures, but there's still a few holes that pikachufan can still try to take advantage of.
QuantumT vs Hyroen
Hyroen definitely has something up his sleeves. Banning BE on top of Explosion and Steal? Banning all the reflecting shields in the game? I think he really wants to use those UGs. And Chaos Seed? Really? Honestly, I doubt QuantumT had even considered using Chaos Seed in his decks. QuantumT's bans however look like more reasonable and logical bans.
Kael Hate vs Theonlyrealbeef
Holy Light was an obvious one for both. Enchant Artifact was a nice pick by Kael, but I'm not sure why he banned Explosion when Darkness has Steal. I'm suprised he left out SoGs and Fractal as well. Those are some powerful cards. Antimatter was an interesting but very logical pick by ToRB. And it seems they both don't want to mess with Nova-Grabby decks.
MrBlonde vs Thatnewguy
Interesting thing here is that TNG didn't ban SoGs and MrBlonde banned Explosion and Steal. Normally I would think that PC isn't all that useful in Death vs Death, but TNG is gonna wish he had some because MrBlonde is gonna pack those SoGs in every deck. It's gonna be uphill work for TNG I think. MrBlonde can expect to see a nice Fire-Death stall from TNG though I bet. Eclipse seems like a weak ban since it helps both sides . . . unless you're not plan on playing any Death creatures. But then again, he banned RoF which makes you think he'll use lots of creatures. I think TNG is just messing with MrBlonde's mind. An interesting ban that was not made by MrBlonde was Purify. Again, it's one of those things where TNG has to decide whether to "waste" a couple card slots for Purifies on the off-chance that MrBlonde will still use them, or just hope MrBlonde doesn't use them since MrBlonde knows he could use Purify as a hard counter to Poison.
Terroking vs Kakerlake
Hehe, they both messed up one of their bans. Oh well, at least they both did it together. :) Interesting that Kakerlake didn't ban SoGs. Also, in Earth vs Earth, banning PC cards seems kinda weak since they have PAs and Pulverizers. I think Terro's Phase Shield is a better ban than Kaker's Gravity Shield. Miracle, Poison, Immolation, and Pests are all good bans though.
Zeru vs Amillir
Zeru and Amillir banned all the same cards almost. However, the funny one is Amillir banning Purify, but Zeru banning Poison. Zeru has mad mind-reading skills. :P Still, there's more than one good way to poison someone and having to calculate that possibility in every game limits Zeru's deck possibilities. Interesting that Zeru didn't ban both Steal and Explosion, though I'll admit that Graboids are really nasty. Those Nova-Grabby decks are a pain to consider with every deck you build. All told, a fairly even ban I'd say, but I might lean just a little to Zeru's bans.
kevkev60614 vs Napalm Grenade
While some decided to give themselves a free 7th ban (SoG), kevkev and Napalm are so hardcore that they decided to go with only 5 bans each. ;) Bone Walls are a given since that's the best shield against Fire creature decks. It's interesting though that they both decided to ban Phase Shields too even though they have Explosions. I wonder if PA would've been a better ban to ensure you could get rid of any shield including Fire Shield. Also, I'm not sure why Steal was banned by Napalm when Fire has Explosions. Also, I'm surprised Basilisk Blood and Reverse Time weren't banned. Those are the best cards against Phoenix decks and Immo decks, imo. And I guess no one is afraid of Fractix either. And with EQ banned by both, I think both have a nice Bolt deck planned.
girlsgeneration vs majofa
I think GG was hoping to use Flying Titans and so banned RT, but majofa didn't like the idea of catapulted Titans either so he banned FW too. Also, I'm not sure why GG would ban Pest in a Grav vs Grav fight unless she's really going to depend on her Mark and not use Pendulums. While banning Lightning helps to protect your Chargers some, Gravity duos well with Fire which also has RP. So it's kind of a weak ban, imo. Looks like majofa blocked two common Grav duos in his ban (Fractal Charger and AdrenaGuards). Not sure why the Poison ban though.
killsdazombies vs Wizelsnarf
I think kdz doesn't want Wizelsnarf to stop his creatures with shields and mass CC. Fortunately for Wizelsnarf, he banned Fractal. It's interesting that Wizel banned the common PC cards to protect his permanents, but then kdz goes and bans many of the most useful perms. :))
xdude vs Ryan666
Some people make bans to mess up their opponent's strategies and some make bans to keep their opponent from messing up their strategies. xdude and Ryan basically just did the latter. Even Fractal is being banned more because of Hope than being overwhelmed by swarms of creatures. The only difference between their bans is EQ and SoGs. Both are good bans but SoGs are useful in more situations I'd guess. I expect to see some fast Pegasus decks and Fire-Light stalls, but I hope one of them tries an Aether-Light Silence deck. I'd say pretty even bans here.
Xinef vs SpikeSpiegel
I think Spike really doesn't want Xinef to mess with his permanents. But banning BE was probably not necessary. Purify was an interesting ban but probably not necessary either . . . unless he's planning on using a certain Scorpion deck a lot. I think Spike should've banned SoG instead of one of those cards. Xinef made some pretty straight-foward bans.
RavingRabbid vs nilsieboy
Seems like they both banned many of the common cards that get used in Water duos. So we'll hopefully be seeing some more innovative decks here. With all of Water's CC, I'm kind of surprised nobody banned Quintessence.
Again, this is just my off-the-cuff thoughts. I'm sure there are good reasons behind their picks that we'll find out soon enough.
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xdude vs Ryan666
I'd say pretty even bans here.
You damn bet they're pretty even, 5 of them are the same! :P
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My little predictions just because predicting is fun. ;)
:death - tng has obvious advantages.
Care to elaborate? I'm interested in what those are.
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My little predictions just because predicting is fun. ;)
:death - tng has obvious advantages.
Care to elaborate? I'm interested in what those are.
:o So am I.
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My take on everyone's ban (with the disclaimer that I haven't thought about these nearly as much as they probably have. I'm sure they have good reasons why they picked the cards they did):
MrBlonde vs Thatnewguy
Interesting thing here is that TNG didn't ban SoGs and MrBlonde banned Explosion and Steal. Normally I would think that PC isn't all that useful in Death vs Death, but TNG is gonna wish he had some because MrBlonde is gonna pack those SoGs in every deck. It's gonna be uphill work for TNG I think. MrBlonde can expect to see a nice Fire-Death stall from TNG though I bet. Eclipse seems like a weak ban since it helps both sides . . . unless you're not plan on playing any Death creatures. But then again, he banned RoF which makes you think he'll use lots of creatures. I think TNG is just messing with MrBlonde's mind. An interesting ban that was not made by MrBlonde was Purify. Again, it's one of those things where TNG has to decide whether to "waste" a couple card slots for Purifies on the off-chance that MrBlonde will still use them, or just hope MrBlonde doesn't use them since MrBlonde knows he could use Purify as a hard counter to Poison.
Great synopsis's Dragoon. I enjoyed reading them all. Fire/stall is definitely on my mind and considered banning firebolt instead of discord. Thing is poison/firestall is much harder to build effectively for death then fire (or so i've found). Discord i find is a bit more annoying. I think RoF is a decent ban and takes out the RoF/Rage/Explosion type deck from my arsenal. Eclipse was kind of an ? ban but i'm sure TNG had his reasons.
I don't ban purify just because it basically forces you to use water or use a nova or immo deck. I find nova or immo decks unstable with 50/50 rules and water does synergize but IMO not going to be used so much that i feel i need to ban purify. Anyhow i'm not going to overly think all this. General gameplan would seem like, TNG-rush and MrBlonde-stall.
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Xinef vs SpikeSpiegel
I think Spike really doesn't want Xinef to mess with his permanents. But banning BE was probably not necessary. Purify was an interesting ban but probably not necessary either . . . unless he's planning on using a certain Scorpion deck a lot. I think Spike should've banned SoG instead of one of those cards. Xinef made some pretty straight-foward bans.
Good analysis. Time has not PC, so we don't want troubles with permanent. I didn't ban SoG and i'm thinkin' this could be an error (now Xinef can stall with turtle shield+SoGs), but he has only 9 upped cards to use...sacrifice 5-6 of them to use SoGs could be a problem for him...
Our final will be epic, without any doubts...
PS: even with 14 upped cards advantage, I've never thought it would be easy...
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My look on the air battle:
Hyroen's bans:
BE, Reflexive Shield, Emerald Shield, Deflagration, Steal: All of these suggest that he will be using an unstable gas deck (looking forward to it)
Chaos Seed: a rather interesting ban, considering he is going for Unstable Gases, but I think he is really trying to ban Chaos Power rather than Seed, so QuantumT can't use them to buff up his wyrms.
QuantumT's bans:
Dimentional Shield, Earthquake, Reverse Time, Discord: all these bans make me think that he will go for wyrms, since dimentional shield is really the only shield buffed wyrms can't bust through; earthquake will destroy all his pillars/towers to dive wyrms; reverse time to counter the buffs; discord to mess with his quanta, so he can't dive as much
Deflagration, Steal: these are more "standard" bans, just to protect his permanents
Prediction to the matches:
Since it would seem to be UG stall vs. Wyrm rush, I generally give UG stalls the favor, but with dimentional shield banned, there isn't much Hyroen can defend himself with, Fog shield is probably the best shield for him, but he will need a lot of CC to kill those buffed wyrms.
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Chaos Seed and Chaos Power are treated as the exact same card in bans. So they might not be buffed too much.
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Chaos Seed and Chaos Power are treated as the exact same card in bans. So they might not be buffed too much.
I know, and that's what I meant by saying that Hyroen banned seed to ban power
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I'd like to see some buffed Wyrms that can go through Grav Shield but not through Dim shield.
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My look on the air battle:
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Keen insight there. I should have thought of Chaos Power with Wyrms since that's one of the faster Air aggros. Still, it's kind of a weak ban since he can access Blessing. Also, with RT, I only thought about FW, but it's true that RT is the bane of combo and buff decks as well. Nice catches there.
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Terroking vs Kakerlake
Hehe, they both messed up one of their bans. Oh well, at least they both did it together. :) Interesting that Kakerlake didn't ban SoGs. Also, in Earth vs Earth, banning PC cards seems kinda weak since they have PAs and Pulverizers. I think Terro's Phase Shield is a better ban than Kaker's Gravity Shield. Miracle, Poison, Immolation, and Pests are all good bans though.
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Just to clarify a little thing: Terroking & me agreed on global bans. So everything he bans is banned for him as well. Also, to counter the possibility to ban the same card he sent me his list first and then I adapted mine.
As for the messed up bans, both of us hate the idea of fighting against EQ's (should I put in PA or not? *mindread*) so we use the in element bans as well ^^
The main idea was that we can use more underused cards and make the matches more interesting since both of us can't take any of those uber balanced knock out decks.
And @all those folks who root for Terroking: I h8 yoo >:(
Insects have feelings as well. You know, when you munch them under your boot, that cracking sound is created from all the broken hearts of loved ones of that one insect.
:P
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Terroking vs Kakerlake
Hehe, they both messed up one of their bans. Oh well, at least they both did it together. :) Interesting that Kakerlake didn't ban SoGs. Also, in Earth vs Earth, banning PC cards seems kinda weak since they have PAs and Pulverizers. I think Terro's Phase Shield is a better ban than Kaker's Gravity Shield. Miracle, Poison, Immolation, and Pests are all good bans though.
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Just to clarify a little thing: Terroking & me agreed on global bans. So everything he bans is banned for him as well. Also, to counter the possibility to ban the same card he sent me his list first and then I adapted mine.
As for the messed up bans, both of us hate the idea of fighting against EQ's (should I put in PA or not? *mindread*) so we use the in element bans as well ^^
The main idea was that we can use more underused cards and make the matches more interesting since both of us can't take any of those uber balanced knock out decks.
And @all those folks who root for Terroking: I h8 yoo >:(
Insects have feelings as well. You know, when you munch them under your boot, that cracking sound is created from all the broken hearts of loved ones of that one insect.
:P
By the way. Officially, you are allowed to use your bans, and Terro his. It wouldn't be really nice, but it's legal. Just sayin'.
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By the way. Officially, you are allowed to use your bans, and Terro his. It wouldn't be really nice, but it's legal. Just sayin'.
I'm all aware of that.
But I really doubt that Terro the kind of guy who'd play unfair or feels the need to cheat on me.
And neither am I, I'd never cheat on me :P
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As much as I like following rules, I think Terroking and Kaker have the right idea. The Earth trials, I thought, were going to be about who could PA/EQ faster. Now that they banned EQ's, I'm going to enjoy watching and reading the battles that I otherwise wouldn't have.
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And neither am I, I'd never cheat on me :P
It be weird if you were both male and female :o
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As much as I like following rules, I think Terroking and Kaker have the right idea. The Earth trials, I thought, were going to be about who could PA/EQ faster. Now that they banned EQ's, I'm going to enjoy watching and reading the battles that I otherwise wouldn't have.
Yes... I was thinking we could use that next time, but banning 2 in-element cards might be a little too much.
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Yes... I was thinking we could use that next time, but banning 2 in-element cards might be a little too much.
It's not even closely as bad as you make it sound.
Only the most annoying card ev0r (EQ) and and the best hitter (Grabo) are out.
There is still plenty left to mess with. CC, PC, strong creatures, fast creatures, strong AND fast creatures, stalling and healing... did I miss something?
It's as if someone said: Now that :light banned Miracle and Pegasus, the deck creating of Light has nothing much to offer. I can imagine you would be laughing tears after hearing that statement ;)
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Yes... I was thinking we could use that next time, but banning 2 in-element cards might be a little too much.
It's not even closely as bad as you make it sound.
Only the most annoying card ev0r (EQ) and and the best hitter (Grabo) are out.
There is still plenty left to mess with. CC, PC, strong creatures, fast creatures, strong AND fast creatures, stalling and healing... did I miss something?
It's as if someone said: Now that :light banned Miracle and Pegasus, the deck creating of Light has nothing much to offer. I can imagine you would be laughing tears after hearing that statement ;)
You must think at all elements. For example, if you ban Time's Dragons and Ghosts you basically turn the game into a stall. I think I'll ask the future Masters what they think though, as them should know better.
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Well then just give each element unique rules ^^
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Well then just give each element unique rules ^^
Sure. You think at rules for a couple of hours and then you listen to people's rants :P
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Well then just give each element unique rules ^^
Sure. You think at rules for a couple of hours and then you listen to people's rants :P
Well then just start a poll for each element asking which rules folks want to have.
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Well then just give each element unique rules ^^
Sure. You think at rules for a couple of hours and then you listen to people's rants :P
Well then just start a poll for each element asking which rules folks want to have.
...Let me rephrase this
No.
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You must think at all elements. For example, if you ban Time's Dragons and Ghosts you basically turn the game into a stall. I think I'll ask the future Masters what they think though, as them should know better.
The problem with that is you can't really ask one athlete in a race how long he'd like the run to be. It's why the Council didn't have much input for these Trials. A better option is to fill this thread with ideas by both challengers and Masters either now or just after the Trials conclude.
I don't mind saying that I preferred the Final Battle rules for last Trials, specifically because I wanted to ban a Fire card. I could have built a strategy that recognized the possibility of Napalm using immo. That's what some other combatants did (Light can use Miracle, etc). But I really just felt it'd be less fun. The in-element ban is essential to promote creative deckbuilding... at least for Fire.
It sounds like future Trials could just autoban SoG, though I don't think the status quo of allowing but not requiring the ban doesn't hurt things. Autobanning SoG just does a little to promote creative deckbuilding.
I'd love to hear a boatload of players weigh in on this. It'll help future Trials.
Well then just give each element unique rules ^^
Except this. This is unnecessary and will lead to a whole mess of problems.
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I too preferred being able to ban a card in-element. The autoban of SoG seems unnecessary though. 6 bans are more then enough to ban what you want including SoG. Some competitors just don't see it as a critical ban. Although if it was autobanned I would be fine with that as well.
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what the hell woul it change to auto-ban SoG and then let the players ban 5 other cards? I honestly think auto-ban is not needed, and that banning **outside the rules** wasn't needed either. 5 bans ( if you count you added SoG) is more than enough, you should be able to deal with your element's weaknesses, not to just ban the problems away.
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Sounds like you've completely misinterpreted why people auto-ban SoG, or you just assume too much. I agreed to pika's suggestion to ban it for one reason: it's boring. With more bans, you have to get more creative in deck-building, which is fun. Challenges are that.
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Sounds like you've completely misinterpreted why people auto-ban SoG, or you just assume too much. I agreed to pika's suggestion to ban it for one reason: it's boring. With more bans, you have to get more creative in deck-building, which is fun. Challenges are that.
Although on the flip side too many bans would really limit decks. IMO 6 seems like a good number. Banning too many of the good synergy cards would make the competition meh because masters should be able to overcome certain types of "strong" decks.
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For some elements, that's certainly true. For Aether, not so much. We could get 10 bans and still be able to make amazing decks due to cards like Fractal and PU.
Of course, it's up to the people to ban more or less. I can certainly see it pointless with some elements.
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You must think at all elements. For example, if you ban Time's Dragons and Ghosts you basically turn the game into a stall. I think I'll ask the future Masters what they think though, as them should know better.
The difference between the Masters' Tournament and Trials is that here you are facing an opponent of the same element. So, forcing your opponent to use a stall is not nearly as bad. In Masters' Tournament it was a problem, because eg. Fire can force you into a stall, then bolt you/fahrenheit you to death. With mono it was kinda hard to counter, because they only need to ban one card (now 2, after the addition of GotP), while you'd have to ban 2-3 to counter it.
On the other hand, during trials, the fact that someone can force you to stall always means that you can also force him to stall, thus it is a balanced solution. If you ban eg. Aether's Phase Shields and Lightnings thus forcing Aether to 'rush', it is also balanced because your opponent will always be able to do the same to you.
Although it might be quite boring, limiting the available decks like that.
But... the 50% off-element rule, or anything similar 30% off-element etc. solves the problem.
As for SoG, I think it is auto-banned in too many PvP events. Some stall decks need SoG to work, and I don't see a reason why those decks should be banned from nearly all PvP events, as long as they are not brokenly OP. And personally, I find quantum denial decks to be much more boring to face than SoG stall decks, so I'm not sure why so many people accuse SoG of making boring decks. TBH I enjoy pwning SoG based rage quit decks, while quantum denial is the only thing that could possibly make me rage quit.
In other words, it's much better if SoG can be banned strategically, but does not have to be. I would usually ban EQ and Discord before SoG, for example, since with a proper Time stall I can outdamage even Permafrost+6*SoG, while EQ and Discord are much more likely to cause trouble to both Time stall and Time rush.
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Sounds like you've completely misinterpreted why people auto-ban SoG, or you just assume too much. I agreed to pika's suggestion to ban it for one reason: it's boring. With more bans, you have to get more creative in deck-building, which is fun. Challenges are that.
So, it's boring. Now, what about giving me a good reason for autobanning SoG and not normally banning it?
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For Aether, not so much. We could get 10 bans and still be able to make amazing decks due to cards like Fractal and PU.
With more bans, you have to get more creative in deck-building
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quick look at fire:
kevkev bans:
SoG, bone wall, and dimentional shield all means that kev doesn't want to face fire stalls
EQ is probably just because napalm could ban immo, and thus towers/pends will be the only quanta producers, which will be very weak to EQ
immo and nova are most likely to prevent rushes
napalm bans:
bone wall, SoG, dimentional shield, and lances are again to prevent stalls (most likely)
EQ again is to prevent total lockdown
steal was a rather interesting ban, as deflag would probably be a better ban, perhaps he was planning on a permanent heavy strategy, and doesn't want the permanents to be stolen (most likely farenheit)
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quick look at fire:
kevkev bans:
SoG, bone wall, and dimentional shield all means that kev doesn't want to face fire stalls
EQ is probably just because napalm could ban immo, and thus towers/pends will be the only quanta producers, which will be very weak to EQ
immo and nova are most likely to prevent rushes
napalm bans:
bone wall, SoG, dimentional shield, and lances are again to prevent stalls (most likely)
EQ again is to prevent total lockdown
steal was a rather interesting ban, as deflag would probably be a better ban, perhaps he was planning on a permanent heavy strategy, and doesn't want the permanents to be stolen (most likely farenheit)
Um Innmo isnt banable as its on element?, same as explosion.
I agree that this will be a very interesting fight and I have no idea who will come up on top
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kev and Napalm agreed to one in-element ban each.
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I'm beginning to realize in this trials that the challengers have much more benefits compared to the masters. They have the potential to easily gain more points in their battle phase, first of all. Usually the final challengers are the ones that win the battle phase, receiving a huge 10 point bonus, while certain masters have a hard time in master tourney and doesn't receive that much bonus.
Even with master only war bonus, masters don't really have an edge because... there's not much difference between 23 upgraded cards and 30. Example : kevkev, master of the team that placed 2nd in the war, lost his title even with the huge war bonus.
It's already weird for me to bring this up as a master (would've been even weirder (and lame) had i done it after i got my title taken, but thankfully that didn't happen), but Masters should be hard to beat. Hopefully some changes will be implemented in the next trials and so on.
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Agreed GG.
Life got 3rd place in war - no small feat for an element that is considered unbalanced and weak outside of monos. That was in large part thanks to Killsdazombies.
Killsdazombies should have had a lot more than 10 points vs my 21. The main discrepency was in him not completing phase 1. That was partially because he had to compete in the masters tourney WHILE being expected to complete phase 1.
I think we can all agree that trials needs some tweaking. This is a good time to look back at what worked well and what didn't and try to make it better for the next time.
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Agreed GG.
Life got 3rd place in war - no small feat for an element that is considered unbalanced and weak outside of monos. That was in large part thanks to Killsdazombies.
Killsdazombies should have had a lot more than 10 points vs my 21. The main discrepency was in him not completing phase 1. That was partially because he had to compete in the masters tourney WHILE being expected to complete phase 1.
That's a bit of a different story: my arguments assume that the Master finishes Phase 1. kdz protested about how stupid phase 1 this trial was, and he paid the price. Xinef was afk sorta the entire time, and he'll probably pay the price.
But still, even if he had finished it, he would've had 20 points, still less than yours despite the fact that he would've received 3rd place war bonus. Some argue that masters who didn't do so well in war has to be readily replaced. However, is 3rd place a bad enough position so that the master has to be replaced? Hell no.
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Masters should be hard to beat because of skill, not upps. Also, next Trials I'm hoping I can manage to totally rework Phase 1, and change Phase 2 a little as well.
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Masters should be hard to beat because of skill, not upps. Also, next Trials I'm hoping I can manage to totally rework Phase 1, and change Phase 2 a little as well.
I really liked that part 1 included an option that involved the Card Ideas and Art section. I think showing that a candidate understands Elements the Game at a theoretical level is important for testing ability to be a good Master.
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Masters should be hard to beat because of skill, not upps. Also, next Trials I'm hoping I can manage to totally rework Phase 1, and change Phase 2 a little as well.
Well, since Masters' role is to be a guide for the community and lead their element in War, I think some qualities should be enhanced more in the Trials than pure PvP skill. Not to say PvP skill is not important for a Master, but for the little I can see, most of the Trials revolve around it. It should be important, yes, but not as determinant as - say - leading and organizational skills.
I mean, War is PvP, but the Master shouldn't be the team's best PvPer, he should be first and foremost the team's LEADER.
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...he should be first and foremost the team's LEADER.
The master is not the general. The master is the person who picks a general. Most of them pick themselves, but it's not obligatory.
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The master is not the general. The master is the person who picks a general. Most of them pick themselves, but it's not obligatory.
Fair enough. I didn't know that. :)