General Discussion

[Ryan666]

WHEN DOTH PHASE THREE BEGIN?

[Dragoon1140]

Something has been talked about in chat occasionally, and somebody wants me to mention it to the Council personally, but I figured posting it here is better than keeping it completely private.

Should somebody continue Trials if they have been (as I'm told) perma-banned from chat?  Chat is very much a part of being participle with the community, plus being banned there shouldn't be taken lightly.  I understand somebody can take a joke too far or occasionally makes too many comment whilst being angry, but receiving multiple bans, or one long ban, I believe, should be punishable in the Trial system.

[MrBlonde]

Something has been talked about in chat occasionally, and somebody wants me to mention it to the Council personally, but I figured posting it here is better than keeping it completely private.

Should somebody continue Trials if they have been (as I'm told) perma-banned from chat?  Chat is very much a part of being participle with the community, plus being banned there shouldn't be taken lightly.  I understand somebody can take a joke too far or occasionally makes too many comment whilst being angry, but receiving multiple bans, or one long ban, I believe, should be punishable in the Trial system.

Yikes... if you are perma-banned from chat i'm thinking that definitely should have an affect on becoming a Master. If you can't be in chat it makes being a general in War very difficult. And like Dragoon mentions being in chat is a part of being part of the community.

[Ryli]

I'm with MrBlonde and 1140.

Sorry ICB, they have very valid points.

[Dm]

Subject change! Where's phase 3?

[Kael Hate]

I miss the "None of the Above" Vote.

[Dragoon1140]

I understand the voting phase was moved to Phase 3 to prevent people from becoming mathematically eliminated, thus having a less exciting Trial.  This has been accomplished, but at the cost of having a less exciting poll.  People already know who is, for most Trials, going to be in the finals.

This is best fixed from a suggestion by johannhowitzer:

I have one suggestion for the next Trial - a closer point differential for phase 2.  With the votes in phase 3 likely being much more of an even split, a 10-6-4-0 spread makes it extremely unlikely to recover from even second place, and nearly impossible to recover from third and fourth.  A 10-8-6-5 spread or some such would be a bit less fate-sealing and allow the potential for comebacks, without making phase 2 meaningless.  With 10-8-6-5, a second-placer in the battles could win with 40% over his rival's 20%... and someone who placed fourth would need 70% of the vote to overcome the same.

Right now, since I placed 4th in Phase 2 (in an element with no Master, no less), I need 60% of the vote (50% had the War Bonus stayed) just to tie with 2nd place of Phase 2, and this is assuming that the 2nd place person attains very few votes.

This is not a complaining post, of course, I just want to rectify this so that the next Trials are considered much better than any before among the community.  We want suspense, not massive point spreads.

[icecoldbro]

it does say to post any trials links in here so i guess i will
my Aether Speech

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[majofa]

I have one suggestion for the next Trial - a closer point differential for phase 2.  With the votes in phase 3 likely being much more of an even split, a 10-6-4-0 spread makes it extremely unlikely to recover from even second place, and nearly impossible to recover from third and fourth.  A 10-8-6-5 spread or some such would be a bit less fate-sealing and allow the potential for comebacks, without making phase 2 meaningless.  With 10-8-6-5, a second-placer in the battles could win with 40% over his rival's 20%... and someone who placed fourth would need 70% of the vote to overcome the same.

I wholeheartedly agree with this. Maybe not the point totals, but the thoughts behind it. With the exception of Elements that don't have a Master competing, Phase 3 is basically how many upgraded cards the two - already been decided competitors - are going to get.

10-6-4-0 is perfect for when 4 people are going for 2 spots. The winner gets 10 points and is in the final battle regardless of the votes. 2nd and 3rd are essentially competing for the last spot, with 4th place have an outside chance.

10-6-4-0 for when 4 people are going for 1 spot, as stated before, eliminates 3 people before the vote. Mainly because, with the Master included in the vote, there's just not enough votes to make up the 4 points.

10-8-6-5 I don't totally agree with these points. I think that if someone gets last place, they should really be eliminated. Maybe (10-8-6-4 or 10-8-5-4)

Anyways, just my 2 cents.

[majofa]

...and also, I don't think the winner of WAR should have to compete for his Master position.

[DrunkDestroyer]

My problem with the Phases, is that in phase 1 there is no direct competition. Everyone has the potential to earn a full 10, or an empty 0. Not much drama here.
In phase 2, only one person can get a full 10, however the votes are not directly levied against each other. (The master is exempt from this)
In phase 3, everybody is competing directly against each other for the points. One vote earned means one vote taken off someone else.

(In a way, this is how it should be since I have never seen popularity votes as the best way of doing things, however some balance in the way points are awarded would be the best way to go IMO)


(And curiosity has gotten the better of me, which Elements were you reffering to when you wanted a 'None of the Above' option Kael?)

[xdude]

I understand the voting phase was moved to Phase 3 to prevent people from becoming mathematically eliminated, thus having a less exciting Trial.  This has been accomplished, but at the cost of having a less exciting poll.  People already know who is, for most Trials, going to be in the finals.

This is best fixed from a suggestion by johannhowitzer:

I have one suggestion for the next Trial - a closer point differential for phase 2.  With the votes in phase 3 likely being much more of an even split, a 10-6-4-0 spread makes it extremely unlikely to recover from even second place, and nearly impossible to recover from third and fourth.  A 10-8-6-5 spread or some such would be a bit less fate-sealing and allow the potential for comebacks, without making phase 2 meaningless.  With 10-8-6-5, a second-placer in the battles could win with 40% over his rival's 20%... and someone who placed fourth would need 70% of the vote to overcome the same.

Right now, since I placed 4th in Phase 2 (in an element with no Master, no less), I need 60% of the vote (50% had the War Bonus stayed) just to tie with 2nd place of Phase 2, and this is assuming that the 2nd place person attains very few votes.

This is not a complaining post, of course, I just want to rectify this so that the next Trials are considered much better than any before among the community.  We want suspense, not massive point spreads.

Why would the person going last deserve any points? To me, the only Trial problems would be Phase 1 and the tens of points being given away pretty easy there.