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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1192400#msg1192400
« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2015, 03:58:27 pm »
Nah forget, just of this , to me can be as like is now

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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1192401#msg1192401
« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2015, 04:04:24 pm »
Nah forget, just of this , to me can be as like is now

is this english?
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1192569#msg1192569
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2015, 10:08:22 am »
Is it possible to get a thread where we can ask all trialists the same question? It seems to make more sense to me than asking the same question 12 times.

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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1192581#msg1192581
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1192611#msg1192611
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2015, 02:46:44 pm »
Should we create an "answers" post near the top of the thread, or answer in our own threads?
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1192613#msg1192613
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2015, 02:47:49 pm »
Should we create an "answers" post near the top of the thread, or answer in our own threads?

In your own thread, please.
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1196928#msg1196928
« Reply #42 on: July 15, 2015, 07:47:38 am »
Now that trials are over, I'd like feedback on a few aspects from all participants and spectators:

- What are your thoughts on Brawl bonus? If you agree with it, do you think it was implemented properly?
- Did you like the increased bonus points selected by TrOs? Or do you think it should be less/more?
- What are your thoughts on the system of element pools for Phase 2?
- What are your thoughts on Masters and Challengers facing off in Phase 2?
- What are your thoughts on the round robin system which replaced master's tourney?
- Do you agree with the system of 24 separate games over a few Bo5 matches?
- STANDINs: were they implemented properly?
- How did you like the shard rules for Final battles?
- How do you feel about using the same old Even/Odd rules for final battles ban system?
- What do you think about the leniency of TrOs this Trials? How much more strict should we be?
- Do you think there should be punishment for disrupting trials? If so, how severe should they be?

If you have anything else to add, feel free to post! Thank you all for your time.
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1196930#msg1196930
« Reply #43 on: July 15, 2015, 08:17:10 am »
There needs to be a new rule about STANDINs. They are just too random, and imo should be decided who is the standin for each element before Trials even start.
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1196955#msg1196955
« Reply #44 on: July 15, 2015, 12:46:02 pm »
Q: What are your thoughts on Brawl bonus? If you agree with it, do you think it was implemented properly?
A: I think it was good that way. Not dominating, but still good to see that Brawl also gets some impact just like War has done for several Trials (if not all).

Q: Did you like the increased bonus points selected by TrOs? Or do you think it should be less/more?
A: If you are referring to Phase 1: Yes, definitively liked them. Raised the motivation to do more than necessary, and led to a lot of very good submissions. However, to be honest, Masters should also do these tasks, especially as they are kind of disadvantaged by neither having the chance for bonus nor tactical possibilities. If you want them to have an ups advantage in Phase 2, just give them some extra free upgrades. I really enjoyed Phase 1 and do not want to have to skip it next Trials.

Q: What are your thoughts on the system of element pools for Phase 2? | Do you agree with the system of 24 separate games over a few Bo5 matches?
A: On the one hand, it was a very good idea. On the other, I have to say that 24 games were too many. Especially in Trials with only two competitors, playing 9 games just to meet in Finals again doesn't sound that funny. In case you want to keep this system with less games, you may delete the free collection of one of each element and increase the amount given by tasks in Phase 1.

Q: What are your thoughts on Masters and Challengers facing off in Phase 2?
A: Actually good, but with less games in case of only two competitors; see answer above.

Q: What are your thoughts on the round robin system which replaced master's tourney?
A: It was good, but as said previously, less games.

Q: STANDINs: were they implemented properly?
A: It is said that some STANDINs couldn't get their job done after they accepted it, but there's nothing you can do about that. Plus point for not waiting long and just playing by yourself there. Trials Final STANDINs should be announced as soon as possible after Entry Phase ended, and there needs to be a set amount of upgrades for them to use. I prefer ~15+Non worthy-votes, but feel free to use an amount of your choice as long as you put it in the rules for transparency.

Q: How did you like the shard rules for Final battles?
A: It was alright.

Q: How do you feel about using the same old Even/Odd rules for final battles ban system?
A: I liked these rules. Made the Final very tactical and the ban points look good. However, I think this system shouldn't stay forever, as there might be similar bans over and over again.

Q: What do you think about the leniency of TrOs this Trials? How much more strict should we be?
A: I don't remember a case where you made bad decissions by being lenient, so it looks good to me.

Q: Do you think there should be punishment for disrupting trials? If so, how severe should they be?
A: As long as the Entry Phase didn't end, participants are free to leave Trials by posting without a penalty, in case they realized some RL issues or whatever. Leaving after that line should be penalized as it disrupted the event. The point to discuss is if these punishments should stay in Trials, or be a general punishment. I prefer the latter.
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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1196960#msg1196960
« Reply #45 on: July 15, 2015, 02:22:48 pm »

- What are your thoughts on Brawl bonus? If you agree with it, do you think it was implemented properly?

- Too many bonuses can discourage new players in joining Trials. It's what happened for example to me last time; against a new player, I would have a too large advantage (war bonus + loyalty bonus = 8 ups, while a new challenger begins from 0. Www3 was one of the few players able to compete against my bonus...). The result was that :time had no challengers until Www3 joined it.
I've nothing against a Brawl bonus, but in case we need to balance ALL bonuses.




- Did you like the increased bonus points selected by TrOs? Or do you think it should be less/more?

- I'd remove this kind of bonuses.



- What are your thoughts on the system of element pools for Phase 2?

- This time rules weren't so clear, since I derped too using some illegal decks. I'd like to have clearer and more...simple rules.



- What are your thoughts on Masters and Challengers facing off in Phase 2?

- I really didn't like this. Masters and Challengers should have separate Phase 2. I played 9 games vs Www3 in phase 2, 3 more games than the Trial Final. Totally non-sense. Challengers should play vs Challengers, Masters vs Masters, in Phase 2.



- What are your thoughts on the round robin system which replaced master's tourney?

- I never liked Master Tourney old system, and I didn't like last Trial system. To make a balanced thing, all Masters should face each other, in a sort of mini-league.



- Do you agree with the system of 24 separate games over a few Bo5 matches?

- Absolutely nope. This looked like a desperate way to balance stuff because we had too few participants. It's insane and too long to play 24 games. Moreover, I don't like off elements matches. Challengers for the Element "X" should play only vs Challengers of the Element "X". I see well that the lack of players has been an huge problem, but then our first issue should be to bring back people to Trials, instead finding a way to play them fairly.



- STANDINs: were they implemented properly?

- Nope. Let's take as example the most famous one, :light. Zso would have won 100% vs CR, but he lost 0-5 vs Root. I firmly believe that a Master title must be deserved, but instead using standing, in case of a lonely challenger, I'm prone to give him/her the role of general of that element in the next war and skipping the trial, leaving that element without a Master.



- How did you like the shard rules for Final battles?

- Very much. Nice way to balance the use according players desire.



- How do you feel about using the same old Even/Odd rules for final battles ban system?

- It's working fine, so imho, no need to change this ban system.



- What do you think about the leniency of TrOs this Trials? How much more strict should we be?

- TrOs (but this topic can apply to all staffers) have to consider case by case; it's impossible to give an absolute answer. If something it's stated in the rules, apply the rules. If something is not stated well, act according "science and consciousness"



- Do you think there should be punishment for disrupting trials? If so, how severe should they be?

- Extremely severe. Disrupting an event like Trials is a big lack of respect vs TrOs, Masters, other Challengers and the whole community. A player that disrupts Trials, without a valid and proved reason, should be banned from the following War and the the following Trials.
   

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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1196965#msg1196965
« Reply #46 on: July 15, 2015, 03:26:12 pm »
Now that trials are over, I'd like feedback on a few aspects from all participants and spectators:

- What are your thoughts on Brawl bonus? If you agree with it, do you think it was implemented properly?

I think it was a good way to emphasize non-PVP functions of Masters, and I think it was done about as well as it could be.


- Did you like the increased bonus points selected by TrOs? Or do you think it should be less/more?


I liked it in general, but I'd even like to see a system where TrOs pick a 1st and 2nd place for different numbers of bonus points?  I'd also like to see Masters compete in Phase 1.

- What are your thoughts on the system of element pools for Phase 2?

I liked this method but I'm not sure if I like it better or worse than a smaller pool that resets each match.

- What are your thoughts on Masters and Challengers facing off in Phase 2?

THis was an awesome change, and I'm glad it happened!

- What are your thoughts on the round robin system which replaced master's tourney?

I'd like to see the two combined possibly? Not sure exactly how but perhaps a single game per Master round robin and a tourney off the back of it?

- Do you agree with the system of 24 separate games over a few Bo5 matches?

Absolutely - more games gives more room for differentiation of skill, and counting by games rather than matches was very good.

- STANDINs: were they implemented properly?

Don't have an alternative to compare to.

- How did you like the shard rules for Final battles?

I liked it but I'd have preferred being able to rank the options from 1-5 rather than the averaging system used.  Then average each player's rating for each option and take the one with the lowest average rating.

- How do you feel about using the same old Even/Odd rules for final battles ban system?

Seemed pretty good but might want to reshuffle the costs a little.

- What do you think about the leniency of TrOs this Trials? How much more strict should we be?

I don't recall any contentious rulings this trials, so seemed fair.

- Do you think there should be punishment for disrupting trials? If so, how severe should they be?

Not sure exactly what on this, I'm fine with whatever TrOs decide among themselves, that's their job!

If you have anything else to add, feel free to post! Thank you all for your time.

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Re: 9th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=58298.msg1196966#msg1196966
« Reply #47 on: July 15, 2015, 03:27:12 pm »
- Did you like the increased bonus points selected by TrOs? Or do you think it should be less/more?

- I'd remove this kind of bonuses.

Why do you dislike a system which incentivizes people for putting in more work into Phase 1? Is it because the bonus is decided based off TrO's wishes?

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- I never liked Master Tourney old system, and I didn't like last Trial system. To make a balanced thing, all Masters should face each other, in a sort of mini-league.

But isn't a mini-league what we just used? Or are you suggesting masters should face a few other masters, determined randomly?
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