8th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback

[CCCombobreaker]

Spoiler for Spike:

[17:18:46] ‹SpikeSpiegel› the only feedback
[17:18:48] ‹SpikeSpiegel› i have
[17:18:57] ‹SpikeSpiegel› except you're doing a great job
[17:19:08] ‹SpikeSpiegel› is that rules for finals are a little bit...strict
[17:19:12] ‹SpikeSpiegel› the shard one above all

We will definitely explore more options for next Trials to incorporate shards while still trying to maintain a fair and balanced meta.  We recognize the shards have been in the game for quite some time now, and it may be beneficial to try and push them a little further into the mainstream instead of continuing to give them "boogey man" status where we give them potentially prohibitive upgrade cost and allow them to be inexpensively universally banned.  I wouldn't expect a big jump, but you will see some steps.

[ddevans96]

The thing is, you limited them even more than last trials. Right now there's three massive restrictions on them, which is completely unnecessary, because in Final battles, you and your opponent have the same element, there's no uneven ground based on having to build around one element.

[CCCombobreaker]

Spoiler for ddevans96:

The thing is, you limited them even more than last trials. Right now there's three massive restrictions on them, which is completely unnecessary, because in Final battles, you and your opponent have the same element, there's no uneven ground based on having to build around one element.

Yes I know.  I am afflicted more than most with "shards = boogeymen" syndrome.  But my above post is my resolve to address that and be much more open minded about shards in the future.

[justaburd]

I've always wondered why Phase 3 exists in Trials. How does a community vote contribute to player skill? (or war?)

[CCCombobreaker]

The Master of an element is the primary representative of that element on the forums (as well as leading war and brawl).  As I understand it, Phase 3 exists so that the entire community can vote on who they think best represents that element.  But it turns out people vote for all sorts of reasons, and some do not even consider who they think will best represent that element within the community/on the forums (by focusing exclusively on who would be the best General for example).

But that was the original idea, and no TrOs (yet) have had the nerve to tell the community that what the community thinks doesn't matter in this regard. 

I think what the community thinks about the Master's candidates matters, although I am willing to explore how much it matters, and what that means regarding the amount of overall score that comes from the various Phases.

[Submachine]

I've always wondered why Phase 3 exists in Trials. How does a community vote contribute to player skill? (or war?)

If Phase 3 would not be in Trials, it would become a boring PvP event, which we already have a lot of. Just think about it, the phases in all PvP events that include the community are fun, like War Propaganda. If Phase 3 would be deleted somehow, that would be the worst decision, because it would make many people disappointed.

[Vangelios]

I like the phase of votes (even getting a few votes) , but needs to be controlled, for example
I even now don't understand the reason whereby the trial of fire being the most votes with 72 members, 10 more than others trials

last trial of fire same thing 7 more votes then spam can be another problem, and here I was eliminated by 2 votes.I can thinking about asking for 2 remote friends to vote but I think ridiculous however I regret , the trial 7 I should have done this since I was wronged.

Then I ask, how do we solve this? or need not be solved?

[justaburd]

I would like to see phase 3 become a sort of reverse battle where players use the opponent's element, sort of to see not only can you play using your element, but if you know how to play against it. A master is supposed to have a broader grasp of how elements work together. This would give some insight into this area and also be practice for the final.

[RootRanger]

I was eliminated from Trials because I lost a single best-of-5.

I'm not saying I deserved to win - Fippe outplayed me, and he is the worthy master. I just wanted something more out of Trials. For such a prestigious event, it was rather disappointing that it quickly ended because of a single loss. What I'm saying, basically, is that there should be more PvP.

This does not necessarily mean eliminated Phases 1 or 3. There should just be two PvP phases. One could be for out-of-Element matches, the other for in-Element matches, perhaps.

[Vangelios]

Root, if I win Hainkarga 3-2 instead of 3-1 I'd be out of finals and no be a master

[PlayerOa]

On voting: The voting phase is in my opinion vital in an event like this, seeing you (should, at least) vote for the person who fits the master role best. We don't want a master who isn't liked or respected at all.

[hainkarga]

I'm with PlayerOa in that. This would encourage people into being at least moderate towards each other which is one of the vital points of elements community. 1v1 duels determining the master is not enough.