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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079060#msg1079060
« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2013, 02:15:07 pm »
As to loyalty points - here's my suggestion.

Loyalty Bonus is for Challengers only
War Record Bonus is for Master's only


Agree with this. As it stands now, the player with the 2nd most bonus points is hain with 6, and he has never participated in trials. Jen's suggestion is really the only logical choice.

I would suggest a slight modification however:

Loyalty Bonus is for Challengers and Masters
War Record Bonus is for Master's only

This would allow masters wanting to challenge for another element to still gain bonus points based on their war performance but lose out on the loyalty points.

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079071#msg1079071
« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2013, 03:48:27 pm »
As to loyalty points - here's my suggestion.

Loyalty Bonus is for Challengers only
War Record Bonus is for Master's only


Agree with this. As it stands now, the player with the 2nd most bonus points is hain with 6, and he has never participated in trials. Jen's suggestion is really the only logical choice.

I would suggest a slight modification however:

Loyalty Bonus is for Challengers and Masters
War Record Bonus is for Master's only

This would allow masters wanting to challenge for another element to still gain bonus points based on their war performance but lose out on the loyalty points.

Aww, no. Give some chance to Hain, will ya?

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079076#msg1079076
« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2013, 04:19:00 pm »
Lol, hain can have as many upgrades as he wants, i really don't care.

My point is that if hain challenged any other element, he would have a small advantage against everyone, including defending masters. Maybe it's just me, but this does not seem balanced.

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079080#msg1079080
« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2013, 04:22:25 pm »
My point is that if hain challenged any other element, he would have a small advantage against everyone, including defending masters. Maybe it's just me, but this does not seem balanced.

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the War bonus only applies for the same element, i.e. if hain challenged any other element he would not get the 6 bonus points -- those are exclusive to  :aether as it was earned in  :aether team.
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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079091#msg1079091
« Reply #40 on: June 10, 2013, 05:47:51 pm »
what are you sneaky bunch conspiring about ?
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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079111#msg1079111
« Reply #41 on: June 10, 2013, 07:12:23 pm »
My point is that if hain challenged any other element, he would have a small advantage against everyone, including defending masters. Maybe it's just me, but this does not seem balanced.

I could be wrong, but my understanding was that the War bonus only applies for the same element, i.e. if hain challenged any other element he would not get the 6 bonus points -- those are exclusive to  :aether as it was earned in  :aether team.

my mistake, i did not read the rules thoroughly. My suggestion still stands though.

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079129#msg1079129
« Reply #42 on: June 10, 2013, 08:28:59 pm »
what are you sneaky bunch conspiring about ?
Basically, deuce is calling you OP. Coming from him, that's certainly a compliment.

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079183#msg1079183
« Reply #43 on: June 10, 2013, 11:21:39 pm »
Spoiler for Hidden:
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regen2k9   vs   Cheesy111*   
Zso_Zso   vs   Cheesy111   
Zso_Zso   vs   Vineroz   
Zso_Zso   vs   PlayerOa*

As of now, Cheesy and Oa get to play an extra match with a  :light opponent, which I feel would be unfair to me and Kuro, as they can gain experience in those extra matches.

I suggest someone else (other than participant of Time Trials) to play those matches. Even the Trial Overseer himself is a great candidate for this task.
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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079190#msg1079190
« Reply #44 on: June 10, 2013, 11:40:49 pm »
I strongly doubt that either of the two mentioned people getting an extra match against the opposite opponent can possibly give any meaningful advantage whatsoever. That said, I would support replacing them with some impartial user (e.g. a participant in an unrelated trial, a master, someone not involved in trials at all, etc.) in order to alleviate any possible negative appearances.

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079206#msg1079206
« Reply #45 on: June 11, 2013, 12:48:00 am »
As I understand it the astrix means they score no points from the match - so no advantage but extra work for them
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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079211#msg1079211
« Reply #46 on: June 11, 2013, 01:02:02 am »
As I understand it the astrix means they score no points from the match - so no advantage but extra work for them
The point being argued is that they gain experience.

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Re: 7th Trials - Suggestions and Feedback https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49610.msg1079388#msg1079388
« Reply #47 on: June 11, 2013, 05:49:48 pm »
The experience gained from single matches is mostly meaningless. It's the accumulation of small amounts that makes true experience.
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