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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079676#msg1079676
« Reply #72 on: June 12, 2013, 07:17:21 pm »
It is per match. See reset note later on.
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079688#msg1079688
« Reply #73 on: June 12, 2013, 08:07:37 pm »
After all the complaints and questions for clarifications (including mine) I'd like to also add a praise to Oni:

This element-graph based deck restriction system brings in a whole new, fresh strategic angle into the meta. It is not only a limitation on what you can use, but also a limitation on the opponent, therefore reduces somewhat the guessing game (mind-gating) about what your opponent might bring in any specific game during the match.

I really like this aspect, even though it does require more time to think it through and make educated choices.
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079689#msg1079689
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2013, 08:12:27 pm »
After all the complaints and questions for clarifications (including mine) I'd like to also add a praise to Oni:

This element-graph based deck restriction system brings in a whole new, fresh strategic angle into the meta. It is not only a limitation on what you can use, but also a limitation on the opponent, therefore reduces somewhat the guessing game (mind-gating) about what your opponent might bring in any specific game during the match.

I really like this aspect, even though it does require more time to think it through and make educated choices.

A HUGE second to that comment, Zso.  The more I dig in to build a ban list and deck options this complexity is turning my Trials preparation into a fun task.  :)  Imagine that - a game being fun!?!  :D
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079690#msg1079690
« Reply #75 on: June 12, 2013, 08:12:45 pm »
I really like this aspect, even though it does require more time to think it through and make educated choices.

Personally i don't have that much time to decipher the consequences of these rules and build strategies, especially since they can be easily ruined by pre-match bans. i'll probably just build decks on the spot. otherwise i would loath everyone for making me do such things.
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079694#msg1079694
« Reply #76 on: June 12, 2013, 08:25:03 pm »
I really do not think praiseworthy, I'm trying to decipher the sequence of the elements, based on the image, do not know if I can make a deck with 5 or more elements.
make a system that renews and avoid mindgating is good,  but complicated rules that can lead to countless illegal decks you think good?
and hain is right, the ban can now undo meta games

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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079699#msg1079699
« Reply #77 on: June 12, 2013, 08:45:54 pm »
Selected Vangelios quote:
I'm trying to decipher the sequence of the elements, based on the image, do not know if I can make a deck with 5 or more elements.

Perhaps an image arranged like this (and not drawn by hand on pad of paper) helps clear up that aspect of your confusion, Vang?

Spoiler for Oni has added this image to OP alongside original image...:


** Edit:  I MSPaint'd that image after concluding the confusion mostly stems from the variation in the OP from arrows to single line to crossed lines ('junctions' as some labeled).  I went strictly with single line notation here.  :)  **

** Edit2:  Spoiler for image to help thread size etc **
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079707#msg1079707
« Reply #78 on: June 12, 2013, 09:02:33 pm »
I like that image much better. Would it be possible to add it to the OP? It makes much more sense not having to decipher lines.

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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079714#msg1079714
« Reply #79 on: June 12, 2013, 09:11:09 pm »
Hummm... , helped a lot, thanks so much Rob, I now know that gravity can only use 3 Initials elements and fire can use 4, (and it helps mind gate) :)
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079719#msg1079719
« Reply #80 on: June 12, 2013, 09:27:55 pm »
yeah that image is much clearer - I think however the image in the OP is written by Zanz as he was brainstorming ideas for the start of the Elements
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079720#msg1079720
« Reply #81 on: June 12, 2013, 09:31:37 pm »
[...]I think however the image in the OP is written by Zanz as he was brainstorming ideas for the start of the Elements

This is quite true, and was definitely 100% the basis of how I mad the MSPaint version.  I can't think of any reason outside of nostalgia to force the original and inherently less clear version to have to be on this Trials' rule page...?  (_NOT_ that you were trying to make a case for that, though)
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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079724#msg1079724
« Reply #82 on: June 12, 2013, 09:56:23 pm »
I can't decide what way to go.. since I made multiple decks for each duo with Entropy and a couple others...

...I'll be using random.org to figure out where to go after each match and what elements to use in what order :P

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Re: Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49785.msg1079736#msg1079736
« Reply #83 on: June 12, 2013, 10:42:08 pm »
Added new image to OP, old image still stays.
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