7th Trials - Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles

[regen2k9]

Do we need to declare which way we push after an individual game in a match (in case we use a trio, quad, etc.)?

[neuroleptics]

Do we need to declare which way we push after an individual game in a match (in case we use a trio, quad, etc.)?

I expect a level of trust from participants that when they use an element they won't try to hide that they were or include 1 card of an off element simply to be able to push through an element. I should be able to figure out when an element is pushed through based on decks, but including what you pushed through after each game in the battle report thread would be nice.

I asked already indirectly and it seems not. Unless onizuka modified the rule.

[Onizuka]

Use death->cannot use death anymore but can now use entropy and aether.
Use mono->cannot push through any used element unless you have to to be able to use an off element. The latter will probably not happen (due to branching) so you can mostly assume that someone who uses a mono doesn't change their available elements.

You don't need to define. See the quote. If you want to during the match, you can. Won't stop you.

Yes, you can only use an element once. You can push through it whenever (as long as the above mono rule is obeyed)
If you use a mono, you can't push through unless the exception occurs (not being able to use anything but a mono next round).
If you use two different off elements in 1 deck, you can push through both (after different games). After G1 you can push through the first element, after G2 you can push through the second element. Or after g3/4.

[Zso_Zso]

For in-element battles, the ban-list will be established ahead of time, so we can prepare the decks we want to use and double+triple check them to make sure they are legal - the rules are not too simple, but managable, so I can go in with a planned order of 5 decks that follow the graph-rules.

However, for off-element battles (which is the majority for me: 3 out of 4), the banned cards are decided right before the match via chat-PM. This means, that we are practically forced to speed-build the decks, which could easily lead to illegal decks.

The only other alternative is to build a large number of 5-deck chains and then based on what 3 cards the opponent bans, drop the ones that use any of those cards and pick from the rest.

I would prefer to be prepared rather than speed-build, but I'm not sure I can prepare enough decks to guarantee that a chain-of-5 will always survive the ban-list no matter what my opponent picks.

So, what I'm trying to suggest is to settle the ban-list for off-element battles ahead of time via forum-PMs, rather than doing it on-the-spot when we meet for battle as that would lead to speed-building and illegal decks.

[TribalTrouble]

Chances of Dm making legal decks?

[majofa]

"Masters don't build illegal decks.... do you?"

[Dm]

Chances of Dm making legal decks?

Quite high, given the vast amount of MONO-GRAVITY skills that I have.

"Masters don't build illegal decks.... do you?"

Yes.

Yes, I do.

[Belligerence]

The more of this I read, the more I get confused. I don't know whether to congratulate or condemn Oni for that :L

[Cheesy111]

To clarify: Are off-element match bans banned for both parties?

[Dm]

So let's get this clear.

Other cards are considered in element
 Decks must be at least 50% in element (quanta included)
Up to 9 off element cards per element (quanta included)

Problem number 1 : I can build a legal deck that doesn't even have my trials elements in it?

Problem number 2 : Last two rules are conflicting. How can it be "at least 50%" if the max of off-element cards is "up to 9"? Pretty sure 21/30 isn't 50%, and that's the least.

[treebeard xiii]

So let's get this clear.

Other cards are considered in element
 Decks must be at least 50% in element (quanta included)
Up to 9 off element cards per element (quanta included)

Problem number 1 : I can build a legal deck that doesn't even have my trials elements in it?

Problem number 2 : Last two rules are conflicting. How can it be "at least 50%" if the max of off-element cards is "up to 9"? Pretty sure 21/30 isn't 50%, and that's the least.

problem two is simple it is a max of nine off element cards per element so you could build a trio that was 50% in element and 9 of one off-element and 9 of another off-element

problem not sure why you wouldn't use your element but it is hard to properly restrict it without restricting the decks available to you

[Zso_Zso]

So let's get this clear.

Other cards are considered in element
 Decks must be at least 50% in element (quanta included)
Up to 9 off element cards per element (quanta included)

Problem number 1 : I can build a legal deck that doesn't even have my trials elements in it?

Problem number 2 : Last two rules are conflicting. How can it be "at least 50%" if the max of off-element cards is "up to 9"? Pretty sure 21/30 isn't 50%, and that's the least.

Ad 1) sure you can make a legal deck full of QPs, daggers and such but will you really go into battle with that ?

Ad 2) upto 9 per element, so if you build a trio, you can have upto 18 off-element, upto 27 for a quad and so on, so the 50% rule is still important for anything beyond duo.