7th Trials - Phase 2 - Challengers' Battles

[RavingRabbid]

Spoiler for Very important image, if you don't look at it you deserve to lose:

Paint credit:Me
Original image seen here: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,20705.msg263046.html#msg263046

• Your mark can only be from an element you can currently use

Regarding the image:

• If you use an element, you cannot use it again (excluding the element you are trialing for). If you use a card from an element, you use that element. If you use time mark but no time cards, time mark/cards can be used next game.

So which is which?

Mark can't consume an element.

[Onizuka]

You can't use a mark of an element you can't currently use.
If you can't use fire cards because you already used fire cards, then you can't use fire mark.

[neuroleptics]

ok, understood, so it follows the rule according to the image. Thanks for the clarification RR and onizuka.
E.g. life so
according to the rule,
1) initial: death, earth and water aide right?
2) if i used death, next i can use is entropy / aether (choose either one) + initial not used elements
3) if i used 2 elements (earth and water) means initial not-used element + push through (JUST one element used)
4) if all three used, cam push through any (just one)
5) it's not possible to used up all and end up with mono right?

it's not said but understood as PM sent to you, onizuka right for in element match. (12 cards non-pillar, non pend, 1 from each since life has 4 challengers) mark cards?
out-element, one random player not involved will be in-charge (3 cards, non-creature, non pillar pend, max 1 from the opponents element)
They don't have to be in trials, do they?

Games:
best of 5
50% in element, 9 off element per element
30 - 34 card deck=6ups
35-39 =7
40-49=8
.....

Is that correct? as I don't want to make any illegal stuff.



 

[Onizuka]

You can use earth, water, and death during the first game of each match, yes.

If you use death, you can use both entropy and aether.
If you use earth and water first game, you can push through either earth or water. If you push through earth and then use death next game, you can push through either water or death.
If you use all three, you push through one of the three.
It should not be possible to use every element.

The PM you send should have 1 card from every element, yes. Mark cards are considered in element for the element they give and can be banned.
Out element one player that isn't (in your case) ji412jo, Odii, Elbirn, Helston, kdz, or Marsu. The no creature limitation is only for their in element creatures. You can ban phoenix against life, but you can't ban cockatrice against life. They do not have to be in trials.

Max 9 off element cards per off element.
Upgrade numbers are correct.

[neuroleptics]

Alright, thanks again.

If you use earth and water first game, you can push through either earth or water. If you push through earth and then use death next game, you can push through either water or death.

This part is confusing. That means if i used 2 elements (earth and water) I can push through EITHER one but I didn't. Next game I'm back to basic?
the example is if i push through either. Let's say earth but didn't use, i chose death, that means i forfeit earth push through? But how will you know i choose earth and not water to push through? It means I've to PM?

3. If you pass through earth you can use life or water.

If you use death, you can use both entropy and aether.

Sorry, but i'm 1st time in trials, just wanna get things right
lol, because of these Q & A , many new jurisdiction came, many that wanted to exploit the grey area will hate me, but I guess, clarify thing before hand is good.

[Onizuka]

Not sure why the life/water thing didn't stay fixed. Fixed again.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying for most of the first part. Please clarify.

I expect a level of trust from participants that when they use an element they won't try to hide that they were or include 1 card of an off element simply to be able to push through an element. I should be able to figure out when an element is pushed through based on decks, but including what you pushed through after each game in the battle report thread would be nice.

[neuroleptics]

Start at air.
You can use a mono at any point. If you use a mono with elements remaining (IE, if you don't use all your currently available elements), you cannot push through anything.

So let's say you start at air:

Elements you start with: Fire, Light, Water, Time.

G1: You use water and time. You push through time to aether.
G2: You can use Fire, Light, Aether. You use none of them and use a mono.
G3: You can use Fire, Light Aether.
G3: You can use earth and life.

So no forfeit? just that I use the available elements again and not push through the already pushed through element.
What i mean is if i already use earth, push through is available. But I choose NOT to and uses death element. (the original available) So the third game, I can use the effect of push through like using gravity and fire (But I can chose to use either, NOT having forced to use both together, right?)

Another air example:

Elements you start with: Fire, Light, Water, Time.

G1: You use water and time. You push through time.
G2: You can use Fire, Light, Aether. You use Fire, Light, Aether. You push through water.
G3: You can use earth and life.

Now this is to say if i used life
1) i used earth and water ----1st game (compulsory just these three - earth, water and death)
2) push through available: time&air OR gravity& fire (Game 2)
3) i chose to push through water and used time and air. Game 3

OR
Either way if i used mono after 2)
The next game I'll still have the effect of push through? Game 3
It's understood mono can be used in between and you continue the effects of push through only that each element can be used once onlt.

4) now the next game, I'm eligible for earth push through also (allowed?), i chose earth push through and used gravity and fire Game 4
5)Lastly the push through is a continuous one from what i understood. Now, if I have push through the available options Game 5
   - I can now use entropy AND light (by choosing gravity, fire push through) OR the other push through second time, using aether and light, correct?

BUT it also means the AND also means I can choose just to play either gravity OR fire (don't have to play both) isn't it after earth push through?

Provided clarification to my statement till game 5, since beyond that is not possible.

[Jenkar]

Nvm, was wrong apparently.

[neuroleptics]

Neuro : Let's take your example again. Also, you can't "save push throughs". You can use one at maximum after each game, and after you can't use any that were other possible choices.

Taking your example again :
You're in Life. You can start with Earth, Water, Death.
G1) You use earth and water. You must now choose one of those two that you "push through". After that you CANNOT use the other.
G2) Either Death, Gravity and Fire (obtained through pushing through earth) or Death, Time and Air (obtained through pushing through water).
G3) Push through depends on what you used in G2), but : you cannot push through earth if you pushed through water after G1). And you cannot push through water if you pushed through earth after G1).

Clearer?

Ya, thanks for the answer.

Nvm, was wrong apparently.

The green colour part i supposed. Waiting for onizuka's answer but it seems like his examples showed it's ok and you can save up the push throughs

[Onizuka]

As life.
Start off with earth, water, death.
G1: Use earth and water. Push through earth.
G2: Can use Death, Gravity, Fire. Use fire, push through fire.
G3: Can use Death, Gravity, Air, Light. Use Light, push through water.
G4: Can use Death, Gravity, Air, Time. Use Time, push through time.
G5: Can use Death, Gravity, Air, Aether. Use whatever.

This is a valid way a person from life trials can go through. Hopefully cleared up in rules that previously used elements that weren't pushed through can be still pushed through later in the match.

Please tell me if anything else is still confusing.

[killsdazombies]

Oh okay, so If I were to use death as my off element, I would lose death, but both elements connected to it would be able to be used?

but what If I went with a mono? No off element cards, would I stay at the current position i'm in?

[neuroleptics]

Oh okay, so If I were to use death as my off element, I would lose death, but both elements connected to it would be able to be used?

but what If I went with a mono? No off element cards, would I stay at the current position i'm in?

Now that I understand the situation quite a bit, i hope i answer it correctly, if not, please correct me.
yes.

You can use a mono at any point. If you use a mono with elements remaining (IE, if you don't use all your currently available elements), you cannot push through anything.

-one you used an element, it's never to be used again but proceed to push throughs but
-if you are given push through, and you chose mono, you stay where you are. The next game, yes, you can use the push throughs.
- if you used duo, the push through is saved (pick one at a time)

As life.
Start off with earth, water, death.
G1: Use earth and water. Push through earth.
G2: Can use Death, Gravity, Fire. Use fire, push through fire.
G3: Can use Death, Gravity, Air, Light. Use Light, push through water.
G4: Can use Death, Gravity, Air, Time. Use Time, push through time.
G5: Can use Death, Gravity, Air, Aether. Use whatever.