5th Trials - Phase 2

[TheonlyrealBeef]

So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points?

[Onizuka]

So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points?

Everyone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.

[xdude]

So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points?

Everyone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.

Than again, if one challengers gets to win some matches he gets 4 points anyways (assuming there are separate standings for each element) and he will also probably earn more votes due to winning said matches, votes the Master would lose due to malicious banning.

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Full points for winning nothing at all huh? Interesting.

Creative deckbuilding is more fun to watch than slaughter anyway, so time to send some serious bans (let's hope Light's bans are serious enough not to cause a slaughter the other way around!).

So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points?

Everyone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.

Than again, if one challengers gets to win some matches he gets 4 points anyways (assuming there are separate standings for each element) and he will also probably earn more votes due to winning said matches, votes the Master would lose due to malicious banning.

What some people call malicious banning, others call a challenge

[xdude]

Full points for winning nothing at all huh? Interesting.

Creative deckbuilding is more fun to watch than slaughter anyway, so time to send some serious bans (let's hope Light's bans are serious enough not to cause a slaughter the other way around!).

So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points?

Everyone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.

Than again, if one challengers gets to win some matches he gets 4 points anyways (assuming there are separate standings for each element) and he will also probably earn more votes due to winning said matches, votes the Master would lose due to malicious banning.

What some people call malicious banning, others call a challenge

Giving your challegers a test in Darkness vs Darkness is alright, but seeing as to how somebody will get 4 points versus Light anyways I see no reason for you not to ban the stronger Light cards.

[MrBlonde]

So i have a quick question about how the masters tourney brackets are setup. Since bracket A and B already have to play an additional match wouldn't it be fairer to have bracket D and F go to the first bracket of the elimination bracket? As is now the players who are in bracket A and B not only have to play an additional match but if they lose in bracket C or E they then again have to play an additional match before reaching the loser of D or F (with this setup A or B would have played 3 matches to D or F's one in the elimination bracket).

[kev]

If the Master of an element does not submit bans, the Trials Overseer will do so and will rely heavily on challenger recommendations.

I didn't specifically say so, but this means challengers in Trials with MIA Masters should feel free to PM me suggestions.

[kev]

wouldn't it be fairer to have bracket D and F go to the first bracket of the elimination bracket?

You're absolutely right.

UTAlan found this (http://challonge.blogspot.com/2009/07/losers-bracket-perfected.html) from challonge which says they build DE brackets this way to prevent rematches for as long as possible.  I assumed challonge decided #1 seeds deserve a significant advantage because that's exactly the effect.  But since we use random seeding the path you outline is better.  The increased fairness outweighs the possibility of rematches.

I've never been happy with the layout of the Master's Tournament.  Single elim is icky and we don't have time for round robin, so we settled on double elim.  But with an uneven number of participants we have to deal with byes.  I considered seeding according to previous War results but War shouldn't be related to the Master's Tournament and Masters already get a War bonus anyway.  The result is this mess.

Because I can't edit challonge I started to create the brackets in Google docs... but timing is funny.  MatrimKK has officially withdrawn from Trials and I've eliminated DrunkDestroyer from the Master's Tourney (though he remains technically eligible to defend his title) so I've reworked the brackets.  Eight participants.  Everything works out okay.  I've reset the timer so go get those matches done!

Thank you all for your patience and flexibility.

[MrBlonde]

Thanks Kev! Appreciate you taking the time for fixing it.

[xdude]

Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...

Also, what happened with higs vs willng and Napalm vs TorB?

[majofa]

Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...

Look under my name to the left, I'm pretty sure I'm still the Master of Light. I even PM'd kevkev60164 my bans.

(btw.. this is part of the reason I'm not continuing my reign of mastership, general disregard by organizers)

[~Napalm]

There was a time conflict that prevented us from meeting up. As I was clearly the less able participant, I was given the loss. Nothing more than that.