| :aether Aether must not use Dimensional Shield, Bonewall, Devourer |
| :air Air must not use Unstable Gas, Discord and Firefly |
| :darkness Darkness must not use Devourer, Ghost of the Past, Holy Light |
| :death Death must not use Purify, Dimensional Shield, Wings |
| :earth Earth must not use Earthquake, Wings, Reverse Time |
| :entropy Entropy must not use Discord, Reverse Time, Dimensional Shield |
| :fire Fire must not use Fire Bolt, Bonewall, Antimatter |
| :gravity Gravity must not use Charger, Discord and Voodoo Doll |
| :life Life must not use Adrenaline, Mitosis, Dimensional Shield |
| :light Light must not use Miracle, Pegasus, Gravity Shield |
| :time Time must not use Grey Nymph, Dune Scorpion, Steal |
| :water Water must not use Blue Crawler, Deflagration, Dimensional Shield |
| :aether Aether must not use Arsenic, Devourer, Dimensional Shield | :time Time must not use Nightmare, Earthquake, Discord |
| :air Air must not use Wings, Flying Weapon, Wyrm | :earth Earth must not use Graboid, Earthquake, Stoneskin |
| :darkness Darkness must not use Devourer, Vampire, Discord | :light Light must not use Photon, Sanctuary, Holy Light |
| :death Death must not use Antimatter, Spark, Aflatoxin | :life Life must not use Discord, Dim Shield, Adrenaline |
| :entropy Entropy must not use Discord, Reverse Time, Antimatter | :gravity Gravity must not use Charger, Titan, Black Hole |
| :fire Fire must not use Phoenix, Sanctuary, Fire Bolt | :water Water must not use Ice Bolt, Bonewall, Wings |
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So, what happens with the 2 elements with no Master?If the Master of an element does not submit bans, the Trials Overseer will do so and will rely heavily on challenger recommendations. <= that?
Yeah, sorry.So, what happens with the 2 elements with no Master?If the Master of an element does not submit bans, the Trials Overseer will do so and will rely heavily on challenger recommendations. <= that?
no Shards
ah thanks i missed thatno Shards
When/how do we pick which trial we are entering under? Is there a thread, should we PM the trial overseer? Did I just miss something with my spastic search?You missed something. As in, 12 subforums with :time instead of :darkness
I'm assuming the 6 days we have before battles is for master bans + everyone to join an element.... but how?
Right. Was looking in this thread, and the announcements... Thanks.When/how do we pick which trial we are entering under? Is there a thread, should we PM the trial overseer? Did I just miss something with my spastic search?You missed something. As in, 12 subforums with :time instead of :darkness
I'm assuming the 6 days we have before battles is for master bans + everyone to join an element.... but how?
So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points? :PEveryone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.
Than again, if one challengers gets to win some matches he gets 4 points anyways (assuming there are separate standings for each element) and he will also probably earn more votes due to winning said matches, votes the Master would lose due to malicious banning.So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points? :PEveryone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.
What some people call malicious banning, others call a challenge ;)Than again, if one challengers gets to win some matches he gets 4 points anyways (assuming there are separate standings for each element) and he will also probably earn more votes due to winning said matches, votes the Master would lose due to malicious banning.So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points? :PEveryone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.
Full points for winning nothing at all huh? Interesting.Giving your challegers a test in Darkness vs Darkness is alright, but seeing as to how somebody will get 4 points versus Light anyways I see no reason for you not to ban the stronger Light cards.
Creative deckbuilding is more fun to watch than slaughter anyway, so time to send some serious bans (let's hope Light's bans are serious enough not to cause a slaughter the other way around!).What some people call malicious banning, others call a challenge ;)Than again, if one challengers gets to win some matches he gets 4 points anyways (assuming there are separate standings for each element) and he will also probably earn more votes due to winning said matches, votes the Master would lose due to malicious banning.So what's keeping Masters from banning shitty cards of their opposing element to deny their challengers from their points? :PEveryone loses all matches=all challengers get 4 points.
If the Master of an element does not submit bans, the Trials Overseer will do so and will rely heavily on challenger recommendations.I didn't specifically say so, but this means challengers in Trials with MIA Masters should feel free to PM me suggestions.
wouldn't it be fairer to have bracket D and F go to the first bracket of the elimination bracket?You're absolutely right.
Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...Look under my name to the left, I'm pretty sure I'm still the Master of Light. I even PM'd kevkev60164 my bans.
Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...majofa elected not to participate in Trials.
(btw.. this is part of the reason I'm not continuing my reign of mastership, general disregard by organizers)If you have something constructive to add, please do so in the Trials Suggestions and Feedback thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35926.0.html). If you're just taking shots at staff members better stick to PMs.
..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...majofa elected not to participate in Trials.
Each Master will PM to the Trials Overseer before challenger battles start two sets of bans for the challenger tournaments
For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.majofa elected not to participate in Trials...to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.
Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.majofa elected not to participate in Trials...to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.
But that's just me.
IMO they are pretty tightly packed together. You're not even going to defend your title, so it' nonsensical that you're trying to give bans when you're clearly no longer the "Master" of the element, as much as you still are in Theory, but are not in Reality for you Quit the trials. If you quit the trials IMO it pretty much seems that you're no longer a master. "Oh, I wanna give bans and have control even trials even though I will not participate on it" is just kinda senseless. Just my two cents.Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.majofa elected not to participate in Trials...to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.
But that's just me.
Why do you keep saying that I'm quitting. I'm not quitting. Would you rather me stick around, then forfeit the final match? I sent my bans in several days ago and never received any PM from kevkev stating that I couldn't ban cards, then he just went ahead and posted a different list.IMO they are pretty tightly packed together. You're not even going to defend your title, so it' nonsensical that you're trying to give bans when you're clearly no longer the "Master" of the element, as much as you still are in Theory, but are not in Reality for you Quit the trials. If you quit the trials IMO it pretty much seems that you're no longer a master. "Oh, I wanna give bans and have control even trials even though I will not participate on it" is just kinda senseless. Just my two cents.Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.majofa elected not to participate in Trials...to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.
But that's just me.
Gladly we're not talking about presidents and once you -quit- trials (Because YES, that's what you did) it's basically the same as quitting your Mastership. And generally, as a Master, you're /forced/ to participate in trials to /retain/ the title /officially/ and once you no longer /participate/ you are no longer a /master/ of the /element/ because you /quit/ the /election/ albeit the /election/ is /obligatory.Why do you keep saying that I'm quitting. I'm not quitting. Would you rather me stick around, then forfeit the final match? I sent my bans in several days ago and never received any PM from kevkev stating that I couldn't ban cards, then he just went ahead and posted a different list.IMO they are pretty tightly packed together. You're not even going to defend your title, so it' nonsensical that you're trying to give bans when you're clearly no longer the "Master" of the element, as much as you still are in Theory, but are not in Reality for you Quit the trials. If you quit the trials IMO it pretty much seems that you're no longer a master. "Oh, I wanna give bans and have control even trials even though I will not participate on it" is just kinda senseless. Just my two cents.Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.majofa elected not to participate in Trials...to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.
But that's just me.
A Master is still a Master until a new one has been appointed, just as a president is still a president even if he elects not to run again for his presidency.
even though its not my place to jump in here I will by saying i support DM's posistion. On the matter by quitting trials I dont see you as the master for you have forieted your rights, and therefore I think it was right for kev to take the banns from what the challengers have pm'ed him as someone. Who is now taking part in the light trials I feel that you not defending your posistion as master a shame and then now you try and say that you still are a master and post banns?I will repeat this again, I -DID NOT- quit trials! I never forfeited my rights. I'm insulted that you all keep saying I did. I never joined trials, I PM'd kevkev stating that I would not be going through the process of competing in trials. It looks like Light has two worthy challengers: xdude the former master and RootRanger and big fan of Light and someone who took me to games 5 and 7 in our two matches.
When I feel awkward simply posting this, something has gone on for too long.+1. Kudos on the ban system too.
I think it's appropriate to let the situation be discussed between kev and majofa.
On another note, I am really liking the fact that we have to face the opposing element in one way and those that participate in our Trials in a different way.
Kudos to those who planned this phase, I really like the politics of it all.
Each Master will PM to the Trials Overseer before challenger battles start two sets of bans for the challenger tournamentsI PM'd kevkev the bans, he never responded that I couldn't make the bans, then he posted different ones. Not saying anything is what got me. :( (lack of communication)
I agree that he should have answered you but he must have a lot stuff to do. Choosing the banned cards isn't that important I'm sure you agree majofa. There is no reason to do that much drama for that even if I understand you're willing to choose the banned cards and that kevkev should have PM'd you that's not a real matter..And that drama won't go away if you all keep taking sides rather than waiting for it to die...
I PM'd kevkev the bans, he never responded that I couldn't make the bans, then he posted different ones. Not saying anything is what got me. :( (lack of communication)You're right maj. I should have dropped you a note and I apologize. I hope you realize it isn't personal. I've always thought you were a standup guy (it's why I drafted you in War 2). It just made sense to me to treat the situation like other Trials where Masters elected not to participate.
the amount of no plays in the masters tourney is a bit disappointing.Yes. But at the same time I don't think it's really surprising. My last duel with Napalm was a surprise to me that it was completed simply because my schedule was filled with classes and work relating to those classes on the days that she was free. This round I was scheduled to be with family for nearly the entire time, so the chances of me happening to catch nils was limited. I'm not aware of the situation for everyone else, but I really would have appreciated the flexibility that longer rounds would have offered in regards to my schedule.
Yeah, completely understandable, didn't mean it to sound derogatory in any way. For events like this i do wish we had a bit more time.the amount of no plays in the masters tourney is a bit disappointing.Yes. But at the same time I don't think it's really surprising. My last duel with Napalm was a surprise to me that it was completed simply because my schedule was filled with classes and work relating to those classes on the days that she was free. This round I was scheduled to be with family for nearly the entire time, so the chances of me happening to catch nils was limited. I'm not aware of the situation for everyone else, but I really would have appreciated the flexibility that longer rounds would have offered in regards to my schedule.
Hmm...nils and I still need our points added for this Phase.Fixed. I blame Google docs. And gypsies.