5th Trials - Phase 2

[willng3]

Both of us waited until the last minute to really try and set a time for duels.  Unfortunately I had to sort out a huge amount of drama yesterday which just left me unwilling to duel at all because I seriously doubted I would be able to play at even half my full potential.  So I gave Higs the rights to claim a win by forfeit since I was online at the time for the duel yesterday (after the deadline, though) but opted not to play.

I still want that match later though.

[kev]

Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

(btw.. this is part of the reason I'm not continuing my reign of mastership, general disregard by organizers)

If you have something constructive to add, please do so in the Trials Suggestions and Feedback thread (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,35926.0.html).  If you're just taking shots at staff members better stick to PMs.

[majofa]

Interesting how majofa's bans were completely ignored...

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.

Each Master will PM to the Trials Overseer before challenger battles start two sets of bans for the challenger tournaments

[Dm]

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.

For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.

But that's just me.

[majofa]

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.

For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.

But that's just me.

Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'

[Sevs]

To be fair i see where both people are coming from, the previous master wants to have some control over who will replace him. Whereas if you choose not to run for trials, you are "giving up" the title, therefore are not master.

What has been done is done. Lets have a good trials!

[Dm]

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.

For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.

But that's just me.

Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'

IMO they are pretty tightly packed together. You're not even going to defend your title, so it' nonsensical that you're trying to give bans when you're clearly no longer the "Master" of the element, as much as you still are in Theory, but are not in Reality for you Quit the trials. If you quit the trials IMO it pretty much seems that you're no longer a master. "Oh, I wanna give bans and have control even trials even though I will not participate on it" is just kinda senseless. Just my two cents.
But yes. Moving on.

[majofa]

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.

For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.

But that's just me.

Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'

IMO they are pretty tightly packed together. You're not even going to defend your title, so it' nonsensical that you're trying to give bans when you're clearly no longer the "Master" of the element, as much as you still are in Theory, but are not in Reality for you Quit the trials. If you quit the trials IMO it pretty much seems that you're no longer a master. "Oh, I wanna give bans and have control even trials even though I will not participate on it" is just kinda senseless. Just my two cents.

Why do you keep saying that I'm quitting. I'm not quitting. Would you rather me stick around, then forfeit the final match? I sent my bans in several days ago and never received any PM from kevkev stating that I couldn't ban cards, then he just went ahead and posted a different list.

A Master is still a Master until a new one has been appointed, just as a president is still a president even if he elects not to run again for his presidency.

[Dm]

majofa elected not to participate in Trials.

..to retain my Title. The rules stated nothing about participating Masters selecting bans.

For me the important part of it is that you elected not to participate in trials. Once you're no longer participating in trials I'm pretty sure you are no longer considered a master as you no longer defend your title. Further on there's also the possibility that you'd probably have lost the title on the "Name to my left" if SG was around-ish as soon as you decided not to participate and no longer defend your Master Title.

But that's just me.

Quitting isn't the same as 'choosing not to retain his title'

IMO they are pretty tightly packed together. You're not even going to defend your title, so it' nonsensical that you're trying to give bans when you're clearly no longer the "Master" of the element, as much as you still are in Theory, but are not in Reality for you Quit the trials. If you quit the trials IMO it pretty much seems that you're no longer a master. "Oh, I wanna give bans and have control even trials even though I will not participate on it" is just kinda senseless. Just my two cents.

Why do you keep saying that I'm quitting. I'm not quitting. Would you rather me stick around, then forfeit the final match? I sent my bans in several days ago and never received any PM from kevkev stating that I couldn't ban cards, then he just went ahead and posted a different list.

A Master is still a Master until a new one has been appointed, just as a president is still a president even if he elects not to run again for his presidency.

Gladly we're not talking about presidents and once you -quit- trials (Because YES, that's what you did) it's basically the same as quitting your Mastership. And generally, as a Master, you're /forced/ to participate in trials to /retain/ the title /officially/ and once you no longer /participate/ you are no longer a /master/ of the /element/ because you /quit/ the /election/ albeit the /election/ is /obligatory.

In resume : You quit Trials. People have no master to fight for. Two challengers fight to become master. You're not the master.
But enough is enough and I think we're starting to flood this too much, and only Kevkev can give us the answer to the "Dilemma".

[majofa]

So you jump into a discussion, fan the flames, then say: hey everyone, no need to fight? <--- I lol'd at that

I am still the Master of Light, whether you think so or not.

[DevilLoss]

even though its not my place to jump in here I will by saying i support DM's posistion. On the matter by quitting trials I dont see you as the master for you have forieted your rights, and therefore I think it was right for kev to take the banns from what the challengers have pm'ed him as someone. Who is now taking part in the light trials I feel that you not defending your posistion as master a shame and then now you try and say that you still are a master and post banns?

[majofa]

even though its not my place to jump in here I will by saying i support DM's posistion. On the matter by quitting trials I dont see you as the master for you have forieted your rights, and therefore I think it was right for kev to take the banns from what the challengers have pm'ed him as someone. Who is now taking part in the light trials I feel that you not defending your posistion as master a shame and then now you try and say that you still are a master and post banns?

I will repeat this again, I  -DID NOT-  quit trials! I never forfeited my rights. I'm insulted that you all keep saying I did. I never joined trials, I PM'd kevkev stating that I would not be going through the process of competing in trials. It looks like Light has two worthy challengers: xdude the former master and RootRanger and big fan of Light and someone who took me to games 5 and 7 in our two matches.

You all need to stop being such jerks to people who aren't keeping their title. There's a big difference between that and just disappearing before trials.

Instead of a passing of the torch, you ripped it out of my hands and then beat me over the head with it.