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Title: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 26, 2011, 02:06:42 am
Phase 1 - Proving Your Worthiness
Phase 1 has ended

This phase is different in each Trial. It usually has something to do with helping out the community, but it can also be something where you show your skills as an Elements player.

Below are three different tasks each participant must complete.


TASK I
Battle Prowess - The Arena

I hit Spin All before I screenshotted and now I have to start all over.  As punishment I will enter chat and say "I'M A DUNDERHEAD."
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd215158/oh_noes.bmp)

Rings and score, everything kev asked for:
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd215159/filled_rings.bmp)

And this shows 185,844 is my score.  Hooray, this is easy!
(http://imageplay.net/img/m7Gbd215157/pvp_duel.bmp)


TASK II
Card Design - Shards


TASK III
Deckbuilding


IMPORTANT NOTES
If you have any questions, please post them here.[/list]
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: UTAlan on July 26, 2011, 02:16:03 am
This is gonna be fun. :D
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TheCrazyMango on July 26, 2011, 02:23:25 am
This is gonna be fun. :D
if by fun you mean really hard, then yes
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: tyranim on July 26, 2011, 02:48:52 am
*looks at task 1* O.o .... F***!
*looks at task 2* eh, seems easy enough
*looks at task 3* ... *cracks knuckles* lets get to it >:D (wtf, why is evil smily face evil frowny face?)
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: Hyroen on July 26, 2011, 03:31:39 am
I want to see stunning work from the Trials of :air Air. I will be keeping a close eye on things.

Good luck to all participants.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: XYTWO on July 26, 2011, 03:51:14 am
Do we HAVE to enter chat and say that?  :P
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 26, 2011, 04:13:08 am
Do we HAVE to enter chat and say that?  :P
lmao.  no, but i'll get a kick out of it if you do.  :P


A heap of questions were asked in chat.  Here's a select few:

Quote from: Chat transcript
[21:16:43] thenewguy: ‹@kevkev60614› For the arena portion, do we have to use the same deck throughout the entire arena, or may we switch decks.
[21:19:00] DrunkDestroyer: So this time we have to do all 3?
[21:19:09] kevkev60614: ‹@thenewguy› same deck
[21:20:01] Zblader: @kev - Are we allowed to use the trainer for our Arena decks?
[21:20:05] kevkev60614: ‹@DrunkDestroyer› yes
[21:20:21] kevkev60614: ‹@Zblader› there's no Arena in trainer, i believe. if there is... no.
[21:23:45] 9270984: kev, so we have to use the same deck for each league?
[21:24:05] kevkev60614: ‹@9270984› yes
[21:25:56] Onizuka: Someone probably already asked this, but what if you're already in the Shard revolution contest?
[21:27:37] kevkev60614: ‹@Onizuka› yes.
[21:35:10] 9270984: kevkev, is it ok if i use mitosichargers as my arena deck? or is that already tried and true
[21:39:09] kevkev60614: ‹@9270984› i'd prefer you to use a deck of your design. these decks will be posted in Deck Ideas, and other players will look at your work when deckbuilding for themselves.
[21:39:55] kevkev60614: ‹@9270984› i recognize that not everyone will be able to do something completely 100% original, though. and i'm not going to constrain the percentage of your deck that has to be new.
[21:40:05] kevkev60614: so do what you think is right.
[21:41:00] 9270984: kevkev, i actually posted mitosichargers a while ago during booster draft
[21:41:42] majofa [»] kevkev60614: for deck help, can it be 150 words over multiple posts in the same thread?
[21:45:36] majofa: ‹@kevkev60614› for deck help, can it be 150 words over multiple posts in the same thread?
[21:47:36] kevkev60614: ‹@majofa› i can't imagine a scenario where you'd need multiple posts. elaborate?
[21:49:56] majofa: ‹@kevkev60614› elementscommunity.com/forum/index.php/topic,28280.0.html < read this thread, and you'll see what i mean
[21:53:46] kevkev60614: ‹@majofa› posting more than once in that scenario relies on others posting between your comments. if you feel comfortable with that, sure, i'll allow it. just make sure you link all your posts.
[21:58:37] Mithcairion: I'm quite sure fractaling Golems has been done before, yes?
[21:59:02] kevkev60614: alright threads are up for y'all to post in. i have more time for questions if anyone has any.
[21:59:14] Higurashi: Not really relevant. You should just shy away from tried and true decks.
[21:59:31] kevkev60614: Mith: nearly everything has been done before. blerg. ninja'd by Higs.
[22:02:24] bucky1andonly: again almost 2 months old, i really dont like necroposting
[22:02:55] kevkev60614: Deck Helpers love necros.
[22:02:55] bucky1andonly: the guy that started the thread only has 3 posts, so he is unlikely to ever read my suggestions
[22:03:35] kevkev60614: bucky these are all problems i've thought of. do you have solutions?
[22:03:40] thenewguy: Kevkev, can I post my arena deck before part 1 is completed already?
[22:04:32] kevkev60614: ‹@thenewguy› sure. whenever you wanna post whatever, feel free.
[22:06:29] YoungSot: ‹@bucky1andonly› Even if it doesn't help the poster, it might help someone, and it still shows your potential ability to help with decks.
[22:12:58] bucky1andonly: good thing im not required to do the deck help, from what ive seen, going back to May, the decks with 25% light or more would actually do better without so much light, and the suggestions for those decks do actually remove light
 [22:17:43] bucky1andonly: It's divided into 3 parts, each scoring 3 points if you complete them.
[22:17:49] bucky1andonly: IF you complete them
[22:18:00] bucky1andonly: no where does it say I have to complete them all
[22:18:13] kevkev60614: true, buck
[22:55:16] Bhlewos: also, if I've already submitted a shard into the competition, is that part 2 of phase 1 taken care of?
[22:56:10] kevkev60614: ‹@Bhlewos› submit a second. good question.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: pikachufan2164 on July 26, 2011, 05:43:34 am
For the Deck Help portion, will reviewing two decks on the same thread count as two entries, or just one?

Example: http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,26926.0.html

I reviewed two of the fourteen decks in the thread, each with a 200+ word deck fix.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: mrpaper on July 26, 2011, 06:41:08 am
This looks great, I'm grinding the arena these days anyway + I wanted to build a shard and I got some cool ideas for it!
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: SnoWeb on July 26, 2011, 07:33:44 am
TASK II
Card Design - Shards

  • Enter the Shard Revolution (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28847.0.html) competition with a Shard of your element.
    • Note in your submission that it is for Trials purposes.
    • The rules of Shard Revolution state a limit of one entry per player.  Competition Organizers will make an exception for those in the Trials only.
    • For participants in the :life, :light, :time, and :death Trials, create a Shard of another element according to the competition rules.
If you have any questions, please post them here.[/list]
I already posted a shard for the competition.
So I have to do one more?
As I am in the time trial. I can choose another element right?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: PlayerOa on July 26, 2011, 07:58:55 am
Can I critice a deck another player in same trial has rewiewed?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on July 26, 2011, 09:39:12 am
You can no longer choose 2 for the full points but have to do all three which are each of phenomenal effort? Damn, looks like I'll have to actually do something :p

Edit: a screenshot filling the rings in no way proves they were filled with the deck posted :(
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kirchj33 on July 26, 2011, 09:57:55 am
Upon inspection of the Deck Help portion, I can only find three decks which would not need to be necro'd and qualify for :earth.  Can you comment on how to handle this problem?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: 10 men on July 26, 2011, 10:53:58 am
Just comment on 6 of jmdts decks ;)
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: LongDono on July 26, 2011, 12:45:05 pm
I want to see stunning work from the Trials of :air Air. I will be keeping a close eye on things.

Good luck to all participants.
The funny part is that I just found out I will be out of town and most likely have no internet for Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Yay? On top of that Air is a somewhat hard element to beat gold or plat with. I should be able to do it.
 
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: scauduro221095 on July 26, 2011, 01:18:38 pm
For the first challenge do pillars/pendulums count towards the 50%? Or is it the number of 1 or > cost cards?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: willng3 on July 26, 2011, 01:21:50 pm
Bah.  It looks like it could be another 3-5 days before I can even start the second part of this Phase.  Procrastination FTL...and there was a reason I didn't sign up for :time Trials -_-'
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: majofa on July 26, 2011, 01:22:51 pm
For the first challenge do pillars/pendulums count towards the 50%? Or is it the number of 1 or > cost cards?
Pillars and Pendulums count towards the 50%.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 26, 2011, 01:23:07 pm
Q: For the Deck Help portion, will reviewing two decks on the same thread count as two entries, or just one?
A: Two decks in a compilation thread like the one you listed is fine.

Q: I already posted a shard for the competition.  So I have to do one more?  As I am in the time trial. I can choose another element right?
A: Yes and yes.

Q: Can I critice a deck another player in same trial has rewiewed?
A: Yes.

Q: a screenshot filling the rings in no way proves they were filled with the deck posted :(
A: The only way I could think of to verify the posted decks are being used is to force you all to take videos of your play.  Seems like the honor system is a better way to go.  Incidentally this has been a potential problem every Trials.

Q: If I had provided deck help in excess of 150 words prior to Trials starting, I can't count that towards the deck helping part, can I?
A: No. Timestamp has to show that deck help came since I put up Phase 1 thread.

Q: For the first challenge do pillars/pendulums count towards the 50%? Or is it the number of 1 or > cost cards?
A: All cards count towards the 50%.

Q: Does the 2 month age limit have to be from the creation of the thread, or can it be from the thread creator's last post on the thread?
A: 2 months since last reply.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: ZephyrPhantom on July 26, 2011, 02:25:06 pm
Slight detail - regarding the Shard critique, do we provide criticism in the Competition thread or the submission thread?
EDIT : Heh... ^^; Thank you pika.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: pikachufan2164 on July 26, 2011, 02:27:55 pm
Slight detail - regarding the Shard critique, do we provide criticism in the Competition thread or the submission thread?
TASK II
Card Design - Shards

  • Enter the Shard Revolution (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,28847.0.html) competition with a Shard of your element.
    • Note in your submission that it is for Trials purposes.
    • The rules of Shard Revolution state a limit of one entry per player.  Competition Organizers will make an exception for those in the Trials only.
    • For participants in the :life, :light, :time, and :death Trials, create a Shard of another element according to the competition rules.
  • Provide constructive criticism for six entries to the Shard Revolution competition.
    • You may not choose your own Shard.
    • Try to choose Shards of your element if possible.  It's not necessary to revisit the Shards you selected if another Shard of your element is posted, for example.
    • Posts need to have at least 150 words, and must have reasonable and constructive content for the author's benefit.  Content could include comparisons to existing cards, decks in which the Shard might appear, proposed revisions for clarity or to avoid abuse, or anything else constructive.
    • Post your comments on the "Phase 1" topic of your element, NOT in the Shard Revolution submission thread.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 26, 2011, 02:48:49 pm
Upon inspection of the Deck Help portion, I can only find three decks which would not need to be necro'd and qualify for :earth.  Can you comment on how to handle this problem?
I was definitely able to find six but I've extended the eligible threads to go back three months anyway.  I made note of the rule change in the Trials Announcements  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29129.0.html) thread.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kirchj33 on July 26, 2011, 05:03:18 pm
Upon inspection of the Deck Help portion, I can only find three decks which would not need to be necro'd and qualify for :earth.  Can you comment on how to handle this problem?
I was definitely able to find six but I've extended the eligible threads to go back three months anyway.  I made note of the rule change in the Trials Announcements  (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29129.0.html) thread.
Thanks, I didn't realize at the time that this rule was expanded from posts made outside of the OP.  Meaning, I was under the impression that only decks posted within the past 2 months were eligible.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TheForbiddenOracle on July 26, 2011, 07:21:49 pm
Wow not being able to take screenshots is seriously gonna screw me up for Task 1
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: ddevans96 on July 26, 2011, 08:01:02 pm
Wow not being able to take screenshots is seriously gonna screw me up for Task 1
Download a snipping program.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: johannhowitzer on July 27, 2011, 03:27:34 am
I disagree on principle with Task I.  A Master's (and therefore a General's) duties are to support the community and help their team prevail in War.  I don't see Task I being representative of either... which wouldn't be a problem if it weren't very prone to RNG problems.  Because of the advantages afforded Arena decks, this is the equivalent of asking us to defeat six consecutive False Gods with the same deck three times - using a decktype that is uncommon or original - and due to the rock/paper/scissors nature of this game and blind matchups, winning six times in a row against the odds is quite a feat, but not one that represents Master-like skill.  I rarely go six-in-a-row with my FG rainbow, mono-Aether, or RoL/Hope, but that's not a good indication of my skill or even my deckbuilding prowess.

Last Trials, we had to form decks and then grind with them against AI5 in order to provide statistics, which would be helpful to the community, in particular newbies - in many cases it provided the community with a new deck and statistics to show it's one that you can thrive with.  This Trials, we're just supposed to show that our decks can go the six-in-a-row at least once in a week?  That's not helpful to the community, and since it's a bit of a shot in the dark, don't be surprised if half the challengers bow out at the end of the week due to not having gotten lucky in the Arena.  Why not have us collect statistics again?  We could give TTW on specific Arena tiers, or even average-rings-before-a-loss.

I'll do it, I signed up and I intend to follow through... but I'm curious to know why this task in particular was chosen.  It seems almost arbitrary.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 27, 2011, 04:25:25 am
I disagree on principle with Task I.
I appreciate the feedback.  Task I hasn't really ever spoken to a Master's duties but rather his qualifications.  Historically participants have been asked to use their element to beat AI5, FGs, and the like.  Here participants have been asked to use their element to beat Arena opponents.  Providing ttw statistics over 40 games was a good idea for last Trials but truthfully nothing really meaningful came out of that task because 40 games is far too small a sample.  ttw statistics in the Arena would be even less meaningful.

I'm hearing a lot of frustration in chat, but I remember vividly similar frustration from the previous two Trials that ultimately turned to satisfaction.  It seems to me that some frustration is over the "tried and true" rule.  I've commented on it several times but I'll try to clarify it one more time.  I'm nonplussed by some decks that have been submitted, but none so far have appeared in the ttw study and I've been unable to find extremely similar decks on the forum.  I won't eliminate such decks but I expect everyone will remember candidate choices when voting on the player that's best fit to be Master during phase 3.  I would hesitate to vote for a fire candidate who took a deck extremely similar to v2, a well-known and heavily tested grinder.  Lastly, originality of ideas will be considered when I look to distribute bonus points.

Hope this helps.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: johannhowitzer on July 27, 2011, 05:03:23 am
Quote
Task I hasn't really ever spoken to a Master's duties but rather his qualifications.
Aren't his "qualifications" just a measure of his ability to perform his duties?  This is circular.

Quote
Providing ttw statistics over 40 games was a good idea for last Trials but truthfully nothing really meaningful came out of that task because 40 games is far too small a sample.
I disagree.  Examination of permutations such as are possible with the number of cards this game involves mandates first taking smaller samples of many possibilities, in order to develop "leads" - candidates that look promising.  In other words, last Trials' Task I laid the foundation into investigation of several decks built on every element.  And 40 isn't as small as you might think... many decks showed promise against AI5, with a consistency that one would expect to continue in a longer study.  We may not have narrowed our statistics down to the hundreds place, but we got a pretty decent ballpark on a large variety of decks.

Now you have me curious about the frustration from the last two Trials; I don't remember any part of Phase 1 last time around that would provoke something like what you're describing.  Was it the ttw study?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on July 27, 2011, 07:06:47 am
Isn't this feedback and suggestions?

Either way, I have to agree this arena stuff is more frustrating than ttw. I think I got about 20 losses during the ttw, now I've already gotten at least 200 (tarnishing my wonderful win/loss ratio ;_;). But the deck did succeed in the end. It's just "slightly" (ahum) hard to beat hard counters with twice your hp and/or draw.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: MrBlonde on July 27, 2011, 09:26:34 am
Definitely agree with Torb here. Some elements are going to have a really really tough time beating this challenge. Lots of frustration from my side anyhow. This definitely is the hardest deck challenge i've had so far.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: LongDono on July 27, 2011, 11:56:46 am
I have gotten 3/4 rings filled now SEVEN times and failed the 4th match each time. *cries*
Then I need silver and bronze...... *sigh*
Maybe before a challenge is given someone should run through the challenge to see how possible it is for the next trials???
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: Higurashi on July 27, 2011, 01:01:23 pm
Gold was impossible to win 4 in a row for my deck. The best I got was 2/4 after hours of trying. But the thing is, I rushed Platinum pretty quickly long before that. Some days, the deck pool in different leagues is horrible for some decks, so you can try your luck in different ones, or even on different days.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: LongDono on July 27, 2011, 01:56:25 pm
Gold was impossible to win 4 in a row for my deck. The best I got was 2/4 after hours of trying. But the thing is, I rushed Platinum pretty quickly long before that. Some days, the deck pool in different leagues is horrible for some decks, so you can try your luck in different ones, or even on different days.
Yeah i know what you mean. I got uber lucky today. 4 rings on Gold, and now I am about to post my 5 on silver. Bronze should be cake. (Was down to less than 5 HP in 3 of the silver games. O.O How did I pull this off? )
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: willng3 on July 27, 2011, 02:06:49 pm
Heh. I spent over 10 hours on decks to beat Platinum yesterday, messed around some more this morning for about an hour and then decided to take a rush against Gold and breezed right through on the first try.  Arena really is fickle; I hate to think of how my rage went to waste yesterday looking back.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: Bonestorm on July 27, 2011, 03:43:23 pm
Arena really is fickle
Can't describe how true this is :P

I tried my hand at the arena part of the trial just for fun under the death trialist rules, took me about 1 hour to do platinum with the deck and about 40mins for the rest (silver&bronze). Just seems as though it's largely about avoiding those truely nasty decks on any sort of decent draw.

Atleast all the effort people are putting in to make a capable deck and carry out the task (especially if it was difficult with whatever element/whatever card restrictions that player had) will show people how much you cared/committed yourself to get through it come the voting phase.

Anyway, I had fun doing the task I of the trials, I'll probably choose another element to have a whack at it with over the next day or so.

P.s. Over 10 Hours is pretty intense, insane props to anyone who has had to work this hard.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: pikachufan2164 on July 27, 2011, 06:18:29 pm
Time spent trying to chain three wins: 20 hours and counting -_-"

Two hours later: got lucky against Gold and Silver, semi-struggled against Dim Shield chains in Bronze, but finally finished.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: MrBlonde on July 27, 2011, 06:19:52 pm
I've honestly had terrible terrible luck. I've had 3/4 gold so many times and 2/3 platinum to only lose each time due to a terrible draw or just one of those unbelievably terrible decks.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: xn0ize on July 27, 2011, 06:22:47 pm
I've honestly had terrible terrible luck. I've had 3/4 gold so many times and 2/3 platinum to only lose each time due to a terrible draw or just one of those unbelievably terrible decks.
blondey , my deck beaten gold super easily, but took me so long to get silver done... i know how you feel :\
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: thatnewguy on July 27, 2011, 06:37:46 pm
I agree with majority of people that it is tough, consider most of deaths critters get taken out by firestorm screw you firestall, but hey I will always accept a challegne to be oringal!
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: johannhowitzer on July 27, 2011, 06:46:33 pm
It's not "tough."  It would be fine if it was just "tough."  It's largely luck-based, which is worse.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TheCrazyMango on July 27, 2011, 08:48:43 pm
i wish we were at least able to change decks between leagues, not doing that is killing me
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: johannhowitzer on July 27, 2011, 09:03:09 pm
Yes, that would help greatly - you finish one league only to find out you're screwed in the next one.  So you have to start over completely or just trust to blind luck.

I still have yet to complete any league for Task I, despite having designed about 10-15 decks, all solid decks that can perform in PvP.  Even anti-stalls.  No luck.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: LongDono on July 27, 2011, 09:08:11 pm
i wish we were at least able to change decks between leagues, not doing that is killing me
That's why I built a deck to DESTROY Silver and Bronze nearly 90% of the time, and I hoped to get lucky vs Gold. It took me a total of over 10 hours of playing against Gold but I did it....
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TStar on July 27, 2011, 11:13:30 pm
I went with the opposite plan.  I figured Platinum decks are generally the most difficult so I kept trying decks on there until I found something that seemed to work.  After that Gold and Silver weren't too difficult.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: johannhowitzer on July 28, 2011, 12:11:47 am
Quote
That's why I built a deck to DESTROY Silver and Bronze nearly 90% of the time, and I hoped to get lucky vs Gold. It took me a total of over 10 hours of playing against Gold but I did it....
Try building a deck that will do that with at least half Light cards.  The best I've been able to come up with so far has been a 3-win chain.  Looking at the Light trial thread, it looks like someone's already used RoL-Hope, which I thought was verboten, so maybe I should just give up and run a Vader Sader?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: willng3 on July 28, 2011, 12:12:53 am
Hmm question time.  Rules state 25% of the deck has to be within Element.  So I'm assuming threads like this would be off limits completely since there's no way to tell how much of the OP's deck idea was within Element, right?  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29074.0.html
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: Jaymanfu on July 28, 2011, 12:25:52 am
http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29103.0.html < at the bottom kev made a ruling against other elements not mentioned using it. So 927 might wanna check with him too since he added gravity. That being said I don't know if Kev made a ruling about life since the guy asked for life scorps.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: willng3 on July 28, 2011, 12:28:38 am
Yeah I noticed that.  I just figured that if it was addressed in a thread that is more frequently visited by all Trials participants that less people would make that mistake :>
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TStar on July 28, 2011, 12:49:53 am
Hmm question time.  Rules state 25% of the deck has to be within Element.  So I'm assuming threads like this would be off limits completely since there's no way to tell how much of the OP's deck idea was within Element, right?  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29074.0.html
Why not just comment on one of the decks posted as a reply, like Matrim's?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 28, 2011, 02:21:21 am
Try building a deck that will do that with at least half Light cards.  The best I've been able to come up with so far has been a 3-win chain.  Looking at the Light trial thread, it looks like someone's already used RoL-Hope, which I thought was verboten, so maybe I should just give up and run a Vader Sader?
johann you've posted several times in this thread about the difficulty of Task I.  Your opinion has been heard.  I'm sure you don't expect me to change the task at this point.  Constructive criticism belongs in the Trials Feedback thread.  Any questions you have regarding Phase 1 can be asked here.  Regarding the "tried and true" rule, see my other posts in this thread.

Hmm question time.  Rules state 25% of the deck has to be within Element.  So I'm assuming threads like this would be off limits completely since there's no way to tell how much of the OP's deck idea was within Element, right?  http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,29074.0.html
Threads with no deck in the OP are messy.  I let a couple through like this one (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,7501.0.html) where it'd be pretty impossible to build a deck according to the authors specifications without using 25% in-element.  I wish ak had commented in a thread that didn't straddle the rule, but it was a player asking for help with a life card specifically, and the point of this Task is for prospective Masters to help players who are asking for help with that element.

927 will have to find a new thread just as majofa did.

Why not just comment on one of the decks posted as a reply, like Matrim's?
Please don't.  If playerA asks for help on a mono-aether and playerB recommends mono-air instead, we're not helping playerA by critiquing the mono-air.  Let's stick to helping the authors.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: SnoWeb on July 28, 2011, 02:08:37 pm
TASK III
Deckbuilding

  • Provide constructive criticism to six Deck Help (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,56.0.html) posts.
It would be very helpful if we could comment on the other decks in the forum - not only on those in deck help. It would increase a bit the choice we have and avoid triple answer on the same deck.
Now all potential decks have their answers in the trial of time and 2 of the challenger haven't posted yet and I still have 3 answer to do ...
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: Qwandri on July 29, 2011, 03:12:58 am
Two questions: I know I missed this one, but where do we post the shard critiques?
And, if I don't have the cash on my main, may I build the deck for task 1 on an alt?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: pikachufan2164 on July 29, 2011, 03:24:48 am
Two questions: I know I missed this one, but where do we post the shard critiques?
And, if I don't have the cash on my main, may I build the deck for task 1 on an alt?
Shard submission goes on the Shard Submissions thread; shard critiques go in the Proving of Worthiness thread for your particular Trial.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TheCrazyMango on July 29, 2011, 03:30:47 am
just a thought, i think it should go the same as it did in war 2 that you dont accuse somebody of cheating unless you have proof
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 29, 2011, 04:24:20 am
And, if I don't have the cash on my main, may I build the deck for task 1 on an alt?
Task I should be done on your main.  If you're short on ups this is a good opportunity for you to grind. :)
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: Qwandri on July 29, 2011, 04:29:00 am
And, if I don't have the cash on my main, may I build the deck for task 1 on an alt?
Task I should be done on your main.  If you're short on ups this is a good opportunity for you to grind. :)
Oh dear. this is going to be a time-consuming undertaking. I'll have to try my hardest to balance it with my real life. Which currently includes learning the saxophone, actually. Time consuming, no?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TStar on July 29, 2011, 09:07:23 pm
If your "alt" has more cards than your main, is it really an alt?
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: thatnewguy on July 30, 2011, 11:38:31 pm
TASK III
Deckbuilding

  • Provide constructive criticism to six Deck Help (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,56.0.html) posts.
It would be very helpful if we could comment on the other decks in the forum - not only on those in deck help. It would increase a bit the choice we have and avoid triple answer on the same deck.
Now all potential decks have their answers in the trial of time and 2 of the challenger haven't posted yet and I still have 3 answer to do ...
Can we please get a verdict on this so every trial member isn't spamming deck help. Their are also so decks in other sections that could easily be improved, no just in deck help.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: kev on July 31, 2011, 03:47:37 am
TASK III
Deckbuilding

  • Provide constructive criticism to six Deck Help (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,56.0.html) posts.
It would be very helpful if we could comment on the other decks in the forum - not only on those in deck help. It would increase a bit the choice we have and avoid triple answer on the same deck.
Now all potential decks have their answers in the trial of time and 2 of the challenger haven't posted yet and I still have 3 answer to do ...
Can we please get a verdict on this so every trial member isn't spamming deck help. Their are also so decks in other sections that could easily be improved, no just in deck help.
Feel free to easily improve the so decks elsewhere, but credit will be given for Deck Help posts only, as it says in the rules.

It looks like Sno was successful in finding threads on which other Time Trialers hadn't commented for 5 of his 6 threads.  I have faith that you can do the same, tng.  And if you can't, I have faith you'll be able to add value in your replies anyway.
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: TStar on July 31, 2011, 07:55:34 pm
Noticed that some people have been missing an important rule for Task III so I wanted to emphasize it so people get credit:

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Replies must be 150 words each PLUS a deck image that adds to your helping the player in need.
Don't forget to post images of the new deck build you are suggesting!
Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: RavingRabbid on July 31, 2011, 08:05:36 pm
I hope I'll be worthy enough of being a master if I complete the tasks for the third time.


Title: Re: 4th Trials - Phase 1 - Proving of Worthiness
Post by: SnoWeb on August 01, 2011, 10:53:37 am
It looks like Sno was successful in finding threads on which other Time Trialers hadn't commented for 5 of his 6 threads.
True but painful.
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