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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1172977#msg1172977
« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2014, 03:10:55 pm »
This is really interesting. At first I thought the health loss was too high, but it seems just right. Good job Root!
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174479#msg1174479
« Reply #13 on: January 06, 2015, 05:30:12 pm »
exuse me i m a noob to forums and tournament,
i would like to ask you:after i send you the 15 support card, it is possible during the mach to use a mono deck, and so no one of the support cards?
what is the deadline for sending you chosen race and supports ?
This is a PvP event IDEA. Some stuff may be changed before it turns into an active event

Crap, and here I was about to sign up.
Whoever's in charge of this, make this happen. I don't even like Doctor Who, I just think the ruleset is interesting.
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174492#msg1174492
« Reply #14 on: January 06, 2015, 08:11:48 pm »
Minor edit to the rules:
- After each game, players must reveal which support cards were used in their deck, if requested by the opponent.

I would like to run the event some time when players are not too busy with other Elements events, so that players are not overburdened with matches. War is ending soon, and Heir to the False Gods will be down to only a few players by the time War is over. WC will likely continue for another couple months, but I'd really rather not wait so long. Thus, I hope to post the sign-ups in about a month. This is, of course, if majofa and UTAlan approve the event.

Before we begin, are there any rule changes that need to be made? Any race that is too powerful, or not nearly powerful enough?
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174493#msg1174493
« Reply #15 on: January 06, 2015, 08:21:12 pm »
Actually I have a question. Why only 6 races? Is that all there is in the Doctor Who lore, or is there a way to squeeze in a few more so we can have all elements represented?

Also, why do gravity and earth have double the upgrades of Darkness and Time? I get that the elements themselves may not be balanced, but considering off element cards can be used (up to 60% of a deck can be off element), that's quite the advantage for Gravity and Earth.
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174494#msg1174494
« Reply #16 on: January 06, 2015, 09:38:22 pm »
Actually I have a question. Why only 6 races? Is that all there is in the Doctor Who lore, or is there a way to squeeze in a few more so we can have all elements represented?
The event is based primarily on a specific episode titled "The Time of the Doctor," in which the six races in the event fight in a nine-hundred year war on Trenzalore. However, I suppose I could include a couple other races anyways.

There are actually hundreds of races in Doctor Who, but most of them aren't very memorable. The vast majority were seen in only one or two episodes, which makes writing about them rather boring.

I don't want to include all twelve Elements for balance reasons. Aether is way too strong because it can spam Dimensional Shields against races without in-Element PC, not to mention cards like Fractal and Lightning. Entropy is also too powerful because of Discord - it dominates a primarily unupgraded mono/duo metagame. Fire and Death have a lot of possibilities - they can rush, or stall, or anything in between. They're too versatile; the other Elements would have difficulty competing with them. I could even it out by giving their class 0 upgrades and a weak ability, but even then, I'd rather have an event where the less popular Elements are played more, and the stronger, more popular Elements are played less. Air is just really difficult to come up with a race for, as not many of the races in Doctor Who can fly on their own, without the use of a spaceship. I could perhaps include the Krillitanes, but they've only been in one episode, in 2006.

However, there's still Water to work with. For Water, I could use the Ice Warriors, who have made a few appearances over the course of the show, including a recent appearance in 2013. There wouldn't really be any balance issues. I just don't want the event to become overcomplicated, with too many races to choose from. But I suppose people already have a good idea of what their favourite Elements are, so that shouldn't be too much of a problem.

So, what are the community's thoughts on having Ice Warriors in the event?

Also, why do gravity and earth have double the upgrades of Darkness and Time? I get that the elements themselves may not be balanced, but considering off element cards can be used (up to 60% of a deck can be off element), that's quite the advantage for Gravity and Earth.
It's only 4 more upgrades. I think it balances them out pretty nicely. Furthermore, with only 15 Support Cards, it's hard to make decks that are 60% off-Element without burning through too many resources.
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174591#msg1174591
« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2015, 12:44:14 pm »
What would the upgrades and HP be for ice warriors? The stats on them are a very vital detail before anyone could give feedback imo.


- A player may use cards from their race's Element in every game. At least 40% of all cards in a deck must come from their race's Element.
- Each support card may be used in only one game per match. The exception to this rule is the Sontaran race, who may use each support card in two games per match.
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- You may change your deck during the match. If the match lasts 5 games, you are allowed to use up to 5 different decks, as long as they are all legal.

Can support cards be from races not included in the OP? If not, then I think some elements are to strong compared to others.
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174648#msg1174648
« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2015, 12:41:15 am »
What would the upgrades and HP be for ice warriors? The stats on them are a very vital detail before anyone could give feedback imo.
I haven't decided yet, but I can assure you they would be balanced. The question is whether or not we want a 7th class. The advantage to adding the Ice Warrior race is that we would have a choice for players who like :water. The disadvantage would be that players would have to prepare against a wider range of strategies.

Can support cards be from races not included in the OP? If not, then I think some elements are to strong compared to others.
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174729#msg1174729
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2015, 05:06:17 am »
Well, that seems like a win-win not a lose-win to me. Having to prepare against a wider range of strategies should kind of be a goal in an event so one deck doesnt ruin it or be the entire meta.
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174731#msg1174731
« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2015, 05:16:46 am »
Well, that seems like a win-win not a lose-win to me. Having to prepare against a wider range of strategies should kind of be a goal in an event so one deck doesnt ruin it or be the entire meta.
Fair enough. If I get a few more people who support adding the Ice Warriors to the event, I'll put them in (unless there is significant opposition).
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2015, 05:45:07 am »
Well, that seems like a win-win not a lose-win to me. Having to prepare against a wider range of strategies should kind of be a goal in an event so one deck doesnt ruin it or be the entire meta.
Fair enough. If I get a few more people who support adding the Ice Warriors to the event, I'll put them in (unless there is significant opposition).
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174735#msg1174735
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I'd support adding Ice Warriors
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Re: TRENZALORE https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=57203.msg1174743#msg1174743
« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2015, 07:23:28 am »
I would obviously want a Water alignment in this event, but theme is something very important to me. I would feel bad if theme was compromised because Water was added. That being said, I did some research - the Ice Warriors weren't in that particular episode, as Root said, but they have been around since 1967, and were recently resurrected, so they aren't some random one-off race added just for Water. Given that, I'd fully support Ice Warriors as well.
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