Post by: Submachine on October 16, 2018, 04:48:52 pm
Weekly Tournament - October 20th - DECAHEXATRIS - Semi-Upgraded
Tournament Organizers: kaempfer13, Vindilos, Submachine or Naii_the_Baf
| (http://i.imgur.com/RCXGMgc.jpg) | When? To find out your local time, check this link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20181020T02
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| (http://i.imgur.com/I88BdSC.jpg) | Where? Please enter the Tournament room (http://elementscommunity.org/chat/blab.php) at least 15 minutes before the tournament starts. Click "Rooms" in the top left to find it. |
| (http://i.imgur.com/eQ110uI.jpg) | Rules Please read the PvP Tournament rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6997.0.html) carefully before joining the tournament. Remember to also read the Special Rules listed below! |
| (http://i.imgur.com/LGqvNMY.jpg) | Prizes
In case of 16 or more players, tournament prizes will be increased. |
| (http://i.imgur.com/LH9pjw4.jpg) | Points for the World Championship
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NOTE: You need just one presentable forum post to be allowed to join tournaments; you can post it here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/introduce-yourself/). If this will be your first tournament, a Tournament Organizer will test your knowledge about the rules. So please be present in tournament room 30 minutes before the tournament starts.
Special Rules
- If you start your turn with a creature on your side of the field that has exactly 16 HP, you win the duel.
- The following cards are banned:.
- The following cards are limited to 3 copies:.
- Decks can only have 40 or less cards. Decks with more than 30 cards must have 6 or more creatures.
- The following part includes rules about upgrading:
- The following cards can be upgraded without restriction:.
- For each copies included in the deck from the following list, 3 quanta cards (=Pillars, Pendulums or Mark cards) can be upgraded:
- The following cards can be upgraded without restriction:
Tournament Organizers Note
If you think there is an overpowered card that ought to be banned, or you have some concerns about the tournament metagame, mechanics or other stuff, do NOT post it publicly in the comments or anywhere else on the Forums. Instead, send a private message to Tournament Organizers, who will privately discuss about it. Thanks for your cooperation.
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TOURNAMENTS Q&A
Q: Do I instantly win when I have a creature with 16 HP on my field?
A: No. You only win if you START your turn with a 16 HP creature on your field.
Q: How should I prove that I won by the extra win condition?
A: Make one print screen at the end of the turn you created the 16 HP creature, and another at the beginning of your next turn. Print screens will be necessary if your opponent disagrees that you won.
Q: How should I start reading the rules if I find them too complicated?
A: Reading only the first 3 rules allows you to build fully unupgraded 30-card decks. After you built a few decks and understood the meta a bit more, you can advance to the rules about deck size and upgrades.
Q: Should I be careful of anything?
A: When you change a few cards to tune a deck, always check if the amount of upgrades are still legal.
Post by: Wyand on October 16, 2018, 10:58:40 pm
Guess this kinda means that no other non-pillar card can be upgraded.
Post by: Submachine on October 17, 2018, 05:55:55 am
"The following cards can be upgraded without restriction:"That is correct.
Guess this kinda means that no other non-pillar card can be upgraded.
Post by: Submachine on October 17, 2018, 06:08:22 am
Q: How should I prove that I won by the extra win condition?
A: Make one print screen at the end of the turn you created the 16 HP creature, and another at the beginning of your next turn. Print screens will be necessary if your opponent disagrees that you won.
Post by: Wyand on October 17, 2018, 12:39:15 pm
which totally excludes 2AM-6AM for all respective timezones?
Post by: Manuel on October 17, 2018, 05:43:51 pm
in the summer was ok playing at 3am, in winter is impossible
Post by: MasterWalks on October 17, 2018, 07:51:47 pm
I want to add 10 additional votes for "later that day". 4AM is the worst for European players. Couldn't we make such a cycle
which totally excludes 2AM-6AM for all respective timezones?
Last tourney was at 2am for me. This one lands at 7pm. I would like to attend this one since last one was not possible. I would like to add 11 votes to keep the current time. I could settle for a couple hours earlier.
Post by: dragonsdemesne on October 17, 2018, 11:23:38 pm
Post by: CactusKing on October 18, 2018, 10:36:43 am
Post by: immortal feud on October 18, 2018, 10:41:09 am
Post by: Vindilos on October 18, 2018, 11:07:50 am
Post by: Wyand on October 18, 2018, 11:47:30 pm
I'd like to quote myself. And hope that TOs will consider the idea, since I guess everyone wants more and more players
at tourneys.
Couldn't we make such a cycle which totally excludes 2AM-6AM for all respective timezones?
Post by: Jen-i on October 19, 2018, 12:42:49 am
While I accept that European players wasn't too active on this voting, so the tourney stays at this horrendous time,
I'd like to quote myself. And hope that TOs will consider the idea, since I guess everyone wants more and more players
at tourneys.Couldn't we make such a cycle which totally excludes 2AM-6AM for all respective timezones?
So what timezones are you planning to exclude? If we plan a cycle that excludes 2am - 6am for all time zones, there will never be a tournament. And is that exclusion only for start time - or do you want to include that for playing time as well?
If that exclusion is only for start time (i.e. you could start at 2am and end at 6am) and if you include only North America, from the west coast (not including Alaska) to Newfoundland, and include Europe from the UK to Eastern Europe, then tournaments can only be start from 1pm GMT to 12am GMT. Which still excludes Asian or Australian players.
Post by: Wyand on October 19, 2018, 10:51:08 am
Hopefully TOs can figure out something, by evaluating the number of active players in different regions.
(I do not wish to exclude regions with smaller player base, though.) It's a pity the game is less popular
nowadays and there isn't enough players to held 2 tourneys/week for different timezones.
Post by: Submachine on October 19, 2018, 07:00:15 pm
| Tournament has started. |
Post by: Submachine on October 20, 2018, 02:31:23 am
Naii_the_Baf: 0
GGs! Ironic TO-vs-TO start.
Post by: shockcannon on October 20, 2018, 02:35:48 am
Jen-i: 0
good games!
Post by: immortal feud on October 20, 2018, 02:38:54 am
MasterWalks: 1
ggs
Post by: Wyand on October 20, 2018, 02:40:38 am
Aves 0
ggs!
Post by: shockcannon on October 20, 2018, 02:59:24 am
Kalinuial: 0
GG!! Thank you for playing despite hating this ruleset.
Post by: Submachine on October 20, 2018, 03:21:28 am
immortal feud: 1
You were right that disconnections are no fun. GGs, though!
Post by: shockcannon on October 20, 2018, 03:32:04 am
Wyand: 0
GG. Sorry about your deck.
Post by: shockcannon on October 20, 2018, 03:50:03 am
Submachine: 0
GG! Thank you for the games and for hosting! I won both games in 3 turns! :P Also, I FINALLY WON A WEEKLY TOURNAMENT!!!!!! GIVE ME THAT TROPHY ICON!!!!!!! Huge thank you to everyone who has beaten me multiple times in the past (which is everyone). I have used my ridiculous amount of league matches to try out different things and it has paid off (or I got lucky or the TOs missed what I thought was a really OP deck). GG.
DECKS:
This deck was OP. 5-0. Maybe countered by holy flash/ulitharid/heavy armor/t-storm (lol).
3-0 with this deck. Played this deck in game 2 to "mindgate" everyone trying to counter my game 1 deck.
Post by: immortal feud on October 20, 2018, 04:03:50 am
immortal feud: 2
Wyand: 1
gg's
decks used
sorry i didnt keep track of score for decks this time
had turn2 4/16 golems twice, both those golems got buffed/debuffed tho
30card decks are not overrated
speedbuild this for G3 of bronze match, won toss and had burrowed 16 hp pest on turn2i feel dirty
Post by: Submachine on October 20, 2018, 04:15:34 am
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1st: shockcannon
2nd: Submachine
3rd: immortal_feud
4th: Wyand
Post by: immortal feud on October 20, 2018, 04:21:27 am
I too can attest to playing HEAPS of league matches making you a better pvper
Post by: Submachine on October 20, 2018, 05:22:23 am
I list my decks in order of being played instead of order of effectiveness.
Won R1G1 against Raging Angels. I started with only 1 Tower, but the matchup was more favorable to me on the long run. Won by damage.
Won R1G2 against Shard Golems. Played a Steam with 16 HP on Turn 3, another on Turn 4. He only drew 1 BB, so I won by wincon on Turn 5.
Won R2G1 against Crema Golems. I had a 1-pillar start, he didn't draw his combo in time. This resulted in a significantly slow game. Planned to get the wincon, but won by damage.
Lost R2G2 against a wincon deck. I had only 1 Pendulum for very long, so I was starved for Entropy. When he had his second dragon with 16 HP, I needed only 1 :entropy to stop it with a Chaos Power, but I had 0. Would have loved a Tower.
Won R2G3 against Earth-Gravity wincon. Decided to ignore the wincon for the first time. Started with 2 Aboms in opening hand, but they got plated against a Gravity Shield, so my damage was slow. He didn't play any 16 HP creatures though, so I had time to recover. Won by damage against AI.
Lost R3G1 against Burrowing wincon. Decided to try this, but didn't matter, because I lost by Turn 3.
Lost R3G2 against Chaos Vu. Decided to bring something that can spam Shockwaves, in case he plays the Pest deck again. He had 2 Deja Vus with 16 HP by Turn 2. I only needed 1 more :air to play a Thunderstorm instead of the single Shockwave I could afford. Lost by Turn 3 again, but would have lost by damage anyway.
And now we reach decks I did not use.
Fast deck, and golems usually have amazing abilities (Neurotoxin, Scarab, Queen, Snipe, Ablaze). I considered using this deck once, but changed my mind, because this deck cannot disrupt wincons.
A mono wincon rush. Didn't use, because the duo variant enjoyed having PC.
This deck can get beefy fast, but it requires a 3-card combo to even start doing anything (or a 4-card combo if you also want survivability). I could have switched the Soul Catchers to Death Pendulums, but I didn't, so I didn't use this deck.
And a Light rush with nymphs instead of angels. Decided to stick with angels.
Won R1G1 against Raging Angels. I started with only 1 Tower, but the matchup was more favorable to me on the long run. Won by damage.
Won R1G2 against Shard Golems. Played a Steam with 16 HP on Turn 3, another on Turn 4. He only drew 1 BB, so I won by wincon on Turn 5.
Won R2G1 against Crema Golems. I had a 1-pillar start, he didn't draw his combo in time. This resulted in a significantly slow game. Planned to get the wincon, but won by damage.
Lost R2G2 against a wincon deck. I had only 1 Pendulum for very long, so I was starved for Entropy. When he had his second dragon with 16 HP, I needed only 1 :entropy to stop it with a Chaos Power, but I had 0. Would have loved a Tower.
Won R2G3 against Earth-Gravity wincon. Decided to ignore the wincon for the first time. Started with 2 Aboms in opening hand, but they got plated against a Gravity Shield, so my damage was slow. He didn't play any 16 HP creatures though, so I had time to recover. Won by damage against AI.
Lost R3G1 against Burrowing wincon. Decided to try this, but didn't matter, because I lost by Turn 3.
Lost R3G2 against Chaos Vu. Decided to bring something that can spam Shockwaves, in case he plays the Pest deck again. He had 2 Deja Vus with 16 HP by Turn 2. I only needed 1 more :air to play a Thunderstorm instead of the single Shockwave I could afford. Lost by Turn 3 again, but would have lost by damage anyway.
And now we reach decks I did not use.
Fast deck, and golems usually have amazing abilities (Neurotoxin, Scarab, Queen, Snipe, Ablaze). I considered using this deck once, but changed my mind, because this deck cannot disrupt wincons.
A mono wincon rush. Didn't use, because the duo variant enjoyed having PC.
This deck can get beefy fast, but it requires a 3-card combo to even start doing anything (or a 4-card combo if you also want survivability). I could have switched the Soul Catchers to Death Pendulums, but I didn't, so I didn't use this deck.
And a Light rush with nymphs instead of angels. Decided to stick with angels.
Post by: Wyand on October 20, 2018, 02:13:22 pm
2-0 against Aves
1-0 OP Pests
Aves played an Otyugh/Armor/Pulvy deck which can be real good, but my Liquid Shadows ruined his fun.
With a faster deck he would have won, because I had to wait until card #19 to get my 2nd Heavy Armor...
With a faster deck he would have won, because I had to wait until card #19 to get my 2nd Heavy Armor...
2-0 Armagio/Lightning/PU
He played the same deck, while I tried to have 16 hp on one of my Armas by using GP/Lightning on them. He ruined my tries
with Heavy Armors, while I patiently waited for my PUs. Needless to say I had to wait a lot: card #21 was my 1st PU... #22 is my 2nd.
All the while my hp got reduced to 18 by his Pulvy, so I had to pull off the combo (a bit early, wanted to wait for my 3rd PU). So I had
3 Armagios with 16 hp, and another with 18 (he had 2 dmgs on table). He wasn't able to counter all of this - however with a bit more trickery
(using Otyugh against his Gnome Rider) he would be able to ruin my combo. (I also forgot to Lightning his Otyugh, so mistakes happened on both sides.)
with Heavy Armors, while I patiently waited for my PUs. Needless to say I had to wait a lot: card #21 was my 1st PU... #22 is my 2nd.
All the while my hp got reduced to 18 by his Pulvy, so I had to pull off the combo (a bit early, wanted to wait for my 3rd PU). So I had
3 Armagios with 16 hp, and another with 18 (he had 2 dmgs on table). He wasn't able to counter all of this - however with a bit more trickery
(using Otyugh against his Gnome Rider) he would be able to ruin my combo. (I also forgot to Lightning his Otyugh, so mistakes happened on both sides.)
0-2 against shockcannon
0-1 CP/AM/Warden
Expected Deja Nova deck. Got pwned by the op Pest deck which I used against Aves.
Shockcannon was extra safe: used Cloak, too. When I started deckbuilding I kinda felt that Darkness
is too powerful in this meta, asked TOs about, but it seems they were confident about it. Oh, yeah: 12 cards
and I haven't got a single Warden.....
Shockcannon was extra safe: used Cloak, too. When I started deckbuilding I kinda felt that Darkness
is too powerful in this meta, asked TOs about, but it seems they were confident about it. Oh, yeah: 12 cards
and I haven't got a single Warden.....
0-2 Flawed Deja Nova
What a stupid mistake. I was thinking "what if he uses that pest deck again?" So I switched 3 blessed to 3 holy flashes.
That totally screwed my hand, didn't get any Nova - only one Holy Flash... We had a mirror match, but he started with Nova,
so he had a headstart. We had a dc, we both won on our side (miraculously I was able to win through SoFree
- forgot make a sshot, kudos to him for believing me. Had a video, but would have taken a long time to upload/convert.)
Replay: same things. Having one Flash in hand, no Novas. Even worse, the 1st Nova came around turn 3.
Kinda infuriating if I play these decks reversed chances are high that I win 2-0. :(
That totally screwed my hand, didn't get any Nova - only one Holy Flash... We had a mirror match, but he started with Nova,
so he had a headstart. We had a dc, we both won on our side (miraculously I was able to win through SoFree
- forgot make a sshot, kudos to him for believing me. Had a video, but would have taken a long time to upload/convert.)
Replay: same things. Having one Flash in hand, no Novas. Even worse, the 1st Nova came around turn 3.
Kinda infuriating if I play these decks reversed chances are high that I win 2-0. :(
1-2 against Immortal Feud
At this point it was around 5:30AM here, I was thinking about forfeiting this match. I should have chosen sleep.
0-1 Back to Pests
"Luck I won't have - only my opponent" - episode 3356.
Turn 2: shard golem with 16 hp. Really. I was testing Shard Golem decks, and they were pretty unreliable - no matter what.
At the same time he and Submachine also claim that these decks produce 16 hp golems quite frequently. Cool, maybe I'm just
excluded from the "Having constantly very good hands for Shard Golem decks"-club. I ruined the fun with Drain Life, then started
collecting quanta for the Pest+2 Armors combo. Needless to say he also ruined my fun: draw his only Thunderstorm from his deck.......
Turn 2: shard golem with 16 hp. Really. I was testing Shard Golem decks, and they were pretty unreliable - no matter what.
At the same time he and Submachine also claim that these decks produce 16 hp golems quite frequently. Cool, maybe I'm just
excluded from the "Having constantly very good hands for Shard Golem decks"-club. I ruined the fun with Drain Life, then started
collecting quanta for the Pest+2 Armors combo. Needless to say he also ruined my fun: draw his only Thunderstorm from his deck.......
1-1 Corrected Deja Nova
I quickly duplicated a 9/16 Deja Vu. Guess what happened? Yes, he drew his only Thunderstorm...
He also stated that he had a lucky draw, but the Deja deck is just too quick, so I've won by dmg.
(Also had a 16 hp Deja Vu at the end of the game.)
He also stated that he had a lucky draw, but the Deja deck is just too quick, so I've won by dmg.
(Also had a 16 hp Deja Vu at the end of the game.)
1-2 Armagio/Lightning/PU
He just won by turn 3. Let's break down this cherry topping on the rng-trolling cake at near dawn. 1) He won cointoss,
and played a Pest and 2 Novas. (=already 3 earth quanta.) 2) While I had Thunderbolts in hand I couldn't do anything since
this deck doesn't allow upped pillars/pends. 3) Next turn he draws another Nova and plays 2 Armors + burrow. Thanks.
Tested Pest decks a lot - this thing rarely happened. I instantly remembered my 1st game where I had to wait about
12 turns to get 2 Armors for my Pest.
and played a Pest and 2 Novas. (=already 3 earth quanta.) 2) While I had Thunderbolts in hand I couldn't do anything since
this deck doesn't allow upped pillars/pends. 3) Next turn he draws another Nova and plays 2 Armors + burrow. Thanks.
Tested Pest decks a lot - this thing rarely happened. I instantly remembered my 1st game where I had to wait about
12 turns to get 2 Armors for my Pest.