Weekly Tournament - November 23rd - Power Harmony - Upgraded

[andretimpa]

Paradox:

The amount of shards I put in my deck	The number of copies I can pick of cards	The amount of shards I can still put in my deck
0	0-5	5
1 (i put in my first shard)	0-4 (ok, I can still put in 3 more, see next row)	3
1+1 (i put in +1 shard)	0-3 (wait... what?)	1
2+1 (i put in +1 shard)	0-2	-1 (whoa, dude! you are in minus, you have to drop 1 shard)

So the maximum of shards we can use is 2.

yes, you can't have 3 of the same shard. You can still put 2 of one kind and one of a different one.

[Zso_Zso]

So if you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
Let's say you also add 2 copies of another shard, e.g. SoD, now does that bring down the max copes to 1 => invalidates the 2+2 shard in the first place
so SCRAP above its illegal

Let's try again:
you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
you also add 1 copy of another shard, e.g. SoD => max 2 copies of any card and no more shard allowed.
OK: this seems legal 2+1 shards and max 2 copies of any other cards (except pillar/tower/pend)

Alternatively, you may use 3 different shards and 2 copies of every card.

Or you may use 4 different shards and only 1 copy of any card.

Does that correctly list all valid configurations for including shards ?

[dragonsdemesne]

I read it the same way as ZsoZso.  Whether that's the intention or not, I don't know, but it's the most obvious interpretation of the rules in my mind.

[andretimpa]

If you guys want more shards just run SoFotal

[Submachine]

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[dawn to dusk]

I might join this. I expect to get kicked on the first round X) sorry if I use boring, unoriginal decks, I only have few upgrades

[DANIEELA]

Quantum pillars/towers can be max 5 in deck (as other cards),or unlimited (as pillars/pends)?

[dawn to dusk]

QP is a pillar so I am guessing it will be unlimited

[ddevans96]

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So, what makes the deck size decrease? Is it per round or something? For each card less than 40?

Since maximum size is 40 for which max upgrades is 25 you can decrease it from there where 39 is 27 upgrades, 38 is 29... 30 is 45 upgrades. Making 34 the maximum deck size of a fully upgraded deck.
Though that is just my interpretation, so if that's wrong a TO would do well to clarify :P

the reverse, max 25 ups. so 39 card deck is 23 ups, 35 is 15 ups, 30 is 5 ups.

This is correct.

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so...max 4 shards.
4 in total,,or from each element?

If I understood it right, if you use 4 shards total you can't add more than one copy of any other card (except pillars, etc.), so you'd also need the 4 shards to be different for the deck to be legal.

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so...max 4 shards.
4 in total,,or from each element?

If you use four shards, you are only allowed one copy of every different card which you use (aside from elemental pillars and stuff) So even your four shard would have to be in different elements, because you wouldn't be allowed more than one copy of each different card (and shard is a card as well)

So to build a reasonable deck, two shards is probably the relative maximum. (Since that would still allow you to play three of each different card in your deck.

--> At least that is my interpretation.

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Paradox:

The amount of shards I put in my deck	The number of copies I can pick of cards	The amount of shards I can still put in my deck
0	0-5	5
1 (i put in my first shard)	0-4 (ok, I can still put in 3 more, see next row)	3
1+1 (i put in +1 shard)	0-3 (wait... what?)	1
2+1 (i put in +1 shard)	0-2	-1 (whoa, dude! you are in minus, you have to drop 1 shard)

So the maximum of shards we can use is 2.

yes, you can't have 3 of the same shard. You can still put 2 of one kind and one of a different one.

These are all correct. If you have four shards in your deck, your copy limit is one, so all four shards must be different. If you have three shards in your deck, your copy limit is two, so you can either have one copy of Shard A and two copies of Shard B, or a single copy each of Shard A, B, and C.

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So if you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
Let's say you also add 2 copies of another shard, e.g. SoD, now does that bring down the max copes to 1 => invalidates the 2+2 shard in the first place
so SCRAP above its illegal

Let's try again:
you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
you also add 1 copy of another shard, e.g. SoD => max 2 copies of any card and no more shard allowed.
OK: this seems legal 2+1 shards and max 2 copies of any other cards (except pillar/tower/pend)

Alternatively, you may use 3 different shards and 2 copies of every card.

Or you may use 4 different shards and only 1 copy of any card.

Does that correctly list all valid configurations for including shards ?

As far as I can tell, yes, it does.

QP is a pillar so I am guessing it will be unlimited

This is incorrect. The rules state elemental pillars/pends/towers/marks, excluding Quantum Pillar/Tower. As such, QP/QT is subject to the copy limit based off the number of copies of shards in your deck.

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All three of these decks are illegal. The first and second decks have too many Quantum Pillars/Towers. The second deck also has too many copies of Skeleton, Arsenic, and Relic for the number of copies of shards in the deck. The third deck is illegal because it has one too many copies of Dune Scorpion - with zero shards, the copy limit is five, not the game's default of six.


Anything more?

[Submachine]

Anything more?

Yes, the "so swim" image, please, if you have time.

[treebeard xiii]

daww qt limited just destroy the use of one of the shards in the game the way i see it if shards are allowed all shards should be playable and qt restriction means at least 1 is unusable in anything but a horrifically unreliable deck

[Spielkind]

youre right tree, so skip the whole shard theme, plz ^^