Post by: ddevans96 on November 22, 2013, 05:40:33 am
Organizer: Vineroz, n00b, Calindu or ddevans96
When?
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| Tournament has started |
Where?
Please enter the Tournament Room on our Blab chat (http://elementscommunity.org/chat/blab.php) at least 15 minutes before the tournament starts.
Rules
Please read the PvP Tournament rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6997.0.html) carefully before signing up.
Prizes
| 1st | 7,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark + Trophy (Forum Icon) |
| 2nd | 5,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark |
| 3rd | 4,000 electrum |
| 4th | 3,000 electrum |
| 5th | 2,000 electrum |
| 6th | 1,000 electrum |
Players who lose their quarterfinal (Top 8) matches will compete for the 5th and 6th place prizes in a mini-tournament. Prize-eligible players (namely, ones in the top 8) who leave the tournament without notifying the Tournament Organizer of their intent are considered to have forfeited their match, and also their prize.
Diagram Legend
Black lines and text represent the brackets.
Red arrows represent 'dropping' into a different part of the bracket.
Blue arrows and text explain which battles are taking place in that part of the bracket.
(http://i.imgur.com/HtyVD.png)
NOTE: Players with fewer than 10 forum posts are not allowed to enter tournaments. Spamming low-quality posts to reach the minimum post count needed to participate will not be tolerated.
Special Rules
- Shards and upgraded cards are allowed, with restrictions.
- The maximum deck size is 40, and the maximum number of upgrades per deck is 25.
- As deck size decreases by 1, the number of upgrades that can be used in that deck decreases by 2.
- You may not use more than 5 copies of any card, except for elemental Pillars, Towers, Pendulums, and Marks.
Decrease this by 1 for every copy of a shard in your deck.
Post by: ddevans96 on November 22, 2013, 05:41:44 am
Click here (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/pvp-tournaments/weekly-tournament-november-23-power-harmony-upgraded/msg1111243/#msg1111243) - a lot of questions were answered in this link.
Post by: Rutarete on November 22, 2013, 07:43:46 am
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on November 22, 2013, 07:52:56 am
So, what makes the deck size decrease? Is it per round or something? For each card less than 40?Since maximum size is 40 for which max upgrades is 25 you can decrease it from there where 39 is 27 upgrades, 38 is 29... 30 is 45 upgrades. Making 34 the maximum deck size of a fully upgraded deck.
Though that is just my interpretation, so if that's wrong a TO would do well to clarify :P
Post by: xyan on November 22, 2013, 07:58:17 am
So, what makes the deck size decrease? Is it per round or something? For each card less than 40?Since maximum size is 40 for which max upgrades is 25 you can decrease it from there where 39 is 27 upgrades, 38 is 29... 30 is 45 upgrades. Making 34 the maximum deck size of a fully upgraded deck.
Though that is just my interpretation, so if that's wrong a TO would do well to clarify :P
the reverse, max 25 ups. so 39 card deck is 23 ups, 35 is 15 ups, 30 is 5 ups.
Post by: TheonlyrealBeef on November 22, 2013, 08:00:11 am
Derp, right. Good thing I'll be as much awake during tournament as I am now ;)So, what makes the deck size decrease? Is it per round or something? For each card less than 40?Since maximum size is 40 for which max upgrades is 25 you can decrease it from there where 39 is 27 upgrades, 38 is 29... 30 is 45 upgrades. Making 34 the maximum deck size of a fully upgraded deck.
Though that is just my interpretation, so if that's wrong a TO would do well to clarify :P
the reverse, max 25 ups. so 39 card deck is 23 ups, 35 is 15 ups, 30 is 5 ups.
Post by: DANIEELA on November 22, 2013, 11:41:59 am
4 in total,,or from each element?
Post by: andretimpa on November 22, 2013, 12:10:32 pm
so...max 4 shards.
4 in total,,or from each element?
If I understood it right, if you use 4 shards total you can't add more than one copy of any other card (except pillars, etc.), so you'd also need the 4 shards to be different for the deck to be legal.
Post by: Keolino on November 22, 2013, 12:12:18 pm
so...max 4 shards.
4 in total,,or from each element?
If you use four shards, you are only allowed one copy of every different card which you use (aside from elemental pillars and stuff) So even your four shard would have to be in different elements, because you wouldn't be allowed more than one copy of each different card (and shard is a card as well)
So to build a reasonable deck, two shards is probably the relative maximum. (Since that would still allow you to play three of each different card in your deck.
--> At least that is my interpretation.
Post by: treebeard xiii on November 22, 2013, 01:40:39 pm
Post by: andretimpa on November 22, 2013, 02:11:29 pm
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Decrease this by 1 for every copy of a shard in your deck
Looks crystal clear to me, by your reasoning I could pack 6 Supernovas and no shard, arguing that I added one and 5 copies of that.
Post by: Submachine on November 22, 2013, 02:12:30 pm
| The amount of shards I put in my deck | The number of copies I can pick of cards | The amount of shards I can still put in my deck |
| 0 | 0-5 | 5 |
| 0+1 (i put in my first shard) | 0-4 (ok, I can still put in 3 more, see next row) | 3 |
| 1+1 (i put in +1 shard) | 0-3 (wait... what?) | 1 |
| 2+1 (i put in +1 shard) | 0-2 | -1 (whoa, dude! you are in minus, you have to drop 1 shard) |
So the maximum of shards we can use is 2.
Post by: andretimpa on November 22, 2013, 02:16:10 pm
Paradox:
The amount of shards I put in my deck The number of copies I can pick of cards The amount of shards I can still put in my deck 0 0-5 5 1 (i put in my first shard) 0-4 (ok, I can still put in 3 more, see next row) 3 1+1 (i put in +1 shard) 0-3 (wait... what?) 1 2+1 (i put in +1 shard) 0-2 -1 (whoa, dude! you are in minus, you have to drop 1 shard)
So the maximum of shards we can use is 2.
yes, you can't have 3 of the same shard. You can still put 2 of one kind and one of a different one.
Post by: Zso_Zso on November 22, 2013, 03:32:31 pm
Let's say you also add 2 copies of another shard, e.g. SoD, now does that bring down the max copes to 1 => invalidates the 2+2 shard in the first place
so SCRAP above its illegal
Let's try again:
you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
you also add 1 copy of another shard, e.g. SoD => max 2 copies of any card and no more shard allowed.
OK: this seems legal 2+1 shards and max 2 copies of any other cards (except pillar/tower/pend)
Alternatively, you may use 3 different shards and 2 copies of every card.
Or you may use 4 different shards and only 1 copy of any card.
Does that correctly list all valid configurations for including shards ?
Post by: dragonsdemesne on November 22, 2013, 03:51:05 pm
Post by: andretimpa on November 22, 2013, 04:21:27 pm
Post by: Submachine on November 22, 2013, 04:47:03 pm
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 22, 2013, 09:13:25 pm
Post by: DANIEELA on November 22, 2013, 09:29:06 pm
Post by: dawn to dusk on November 22, 2013, 09:47:09 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on November 22, 2013, 10:18:27 pm
So, what makes the deck size decrease? Is it per round or something? For each card less than 40?Since maximum size is 40 for which max upgrades is 25 you can decrease it from there where 39 is 27 upgrades, 38 is 29... 30 is 45 upgrades. Making 34 the maximum deck size of a fully upgraded deck.
Though that is just my interpretation, so if that's wrong a TO would do well to clarify :P
the reverse, max 25 ups. so 39 card deck is 23 ups, 35 is 15 ups, 30 is 5 ups.
This is correct.
so...max 4 shards.
4 in total,,or from each element?
If I understood it right, if you use 4 shards total you can't add more than one copy of any other card (except pillars, etc.), so you'd also need the 4 shards to be different for the deck to be legal.
so...max 4 shards.
4 in total,,or from each element?
If you use four shards, you are only allowed one copy of every different card which you use (aside from elemental pillars and stuff) So even your four shard would have to be in different elements, because you wouldn't be allowed more than one copy of each different card (and shard is a card as well)
So to build a reasonable deck, two shards is probably the relative maximum. (Since that would still allow you to play three of each different card in your deck.
--> At least that is my interpretation.
yes, you can't have 3 of the same shard. You can still put 2 of one kind and one of a different one.Paradox:
The amount of shards I put in my deck The number of copies I can pick of cards The amount of shards I can still put in my deck 0 0-5 5 1 (i put in my first shard) 0-4 (ok, I can still put in 3 more, see next row) 3 1+1 (i put in +1 shard) 0-3 (wait... what?) 1 2+1 (i put in +1 shard) 0-2 -1 (whoa, dude! you are in minus, you have to drop 1 shard)
So the maximum of shards we can use is 2.
These are all correct. If you have four shards in your deck, your copy limit is one, so all four shards must be different. If you have three shards in your deck, your copy limit is two, so you can either have one copy of Shard A and two copies of Shard B, or a single copy each of Shard A, B, and C.
So if you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
Let's say you also add 2 copies of another shard, e.g. SoD, now does that bring down the max copes to 1 => invalidates the 2+2 shard in the first place
so SCRAP above its illegal
Let's try again:
you have 2 copies of a single shard, say SoSa => max 3 copies of any card.
you also add 1 copy of another shard, e.g. SoD => max 2 copies of any card and no more shard allowed.
OK: this seems legal 2+1 shards and max 2 copies of any other cards (except pillar/tower/pend)
Alternatively, you may use 3 different shards and 2 copies of every card.
Or you may use 4 different shards and only 1 copy of any card.
Does that correctly list all valid configurations for including shards ?
As far as I can tell, yes, it does.
QP is a pillar so I am guessing it will be unlimited
This is incorrect. The rules state elemental pillars/pends/towers/marks, excluding Quantum Pillar/Tower. As such, QP/QT is subject to the copy limit based off the number of copies of shards in your deck.
Question to TO: Are these decks legal?
All three of these decks are illegal. The first and second decks have too many Quantum Pillars/Towers. The second deck also has too many copies of Skeleton, Arsenic, and Relic for the number of copies of shards in the deck. The third deck is illegal because it has one too many copies of Dune Scorpion - with zero shards, the copy limit is five, not the game's default of six.
Anything more?
Post by: Submachine on November 22, 2013, 10:31:10 pm
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Anything more?
Yes, the "so swim" image, please, if you have time. :)
Post by: treebeard xiii on November 22, 2013, 10:50:50 pm
Post by: Spielkind on November 23, 2013, 07:53:55 am
Post by: andretimpa on November 23, 2013, 02:21:55 pm
daww qt limited just destroy the use of one of the shards in the game the way i see it if shards are allowed all shards should be playable and qt restriction means at least 1 is unusable in anything but a horrifically unreliable deck
Limiting shards also destroys SoI.
Post by: Submachine on November 23, 2013, 02:35:03 pm
Post by: CuCN on November 23, 2013, 07:46:32 pm
Post by: iamaswamp on November 23, 2013, 10:26:59 pm
Post by: CuCN on November 23, 2013, 10:28:08 pm
Post by: treebeard xiii on November 23, 2013, 10:28:50 pm
I'm pumped to try this out. This'll be my first tourny but I have what I think might be a good strategy...
you won't have enough post left unfortunately you need 10 proper posts to be able to participate sorry :(
Post by: CuCN on November 23, 2013, 10:51:41 pm
What if you have 5 copies of a shard?You can't. The most copies of any one shard you could possibly have is 2 (because 3 copies would reduce the maximum number of copies to 2).
Post by: Hawkeye0440 on November 23, 2013, 11:01:59 pm
Post by: ddevans96 on November 23, 2013, 11:12:13 pm
Is it starting now... o,o
Yes, the tournament has started.
Post by: Hawkeye0440 on November 23, 2013, 11:13:05 pm
EDIT: Nobody is in the chatroom.
Post by: ddevans96 on November 23, 2013, 11:18:02 pm
Where do I go? D:
EDIT: Nobody is in the chatroom.
I see what happened. The link that was on this tournament thread linked to an old chatroom. I changed this previously - at some time, it must have gotten reverted. Every link in the Tournament Rules thread is, and has been, correct.
Apologies for the inconvienience, this wasn't an issue we were aware of.
Post by: rem4life on November 23, 2013, 11:21:41 pm
Sry teammate :)
Post by: serprex on November 23, 2013, 11:25:19 pm
Post by: Cheesy111 on November 23, 2013, 11:28:18 pm
Post by: rem4life on November 23, 2013, 11:34:55 pm
Post by: Dm on November 23, 2013, 11:36:56 pm
firepend OP, had fun.
Post by: Afdarenty on November 23, 2013, 11:39:34 pm
Closer than the scoreline shows. GGs!
Post by: treebeard xiii on November 23, 2013, 11:47:23 pm
ggs i had several server issues but ultimately zso played vs ai lost and gave me a win game 2
Post by: Dm on November 23, 2013, 11:50:44 pm
Post by: Cheesy111 on November 24, 2013, 12:03:42 am
Post by: Afdarenty on November 24, 2013, 12:05:30 am
Long live desyncs. First game had me sweating, the second game I had quite a fast draw. GGs
Post by: Submachine on November 24, 2013, 12:09:01 am
andretimpa - 1
i won even with a miscalculation in game 1. GGs
Post by: rem4life on November 24, 2013, 12:35:37 am
Post by: SpikeSpiegel on November 24, 2013, 12:40:16 am
SpikeSpiegel 2
Submachine 1
GGs!
Post by: serprex on November 24, 2013, 12:52:38 am
Post by: treebeard xiii on November 24, 2013, 01:01:07 am
only because his decks were illegal otherwise i lost by dc ruling
Post by: Dm on November 24, 2013, 01:16:25 am
Last game was a cointoss by ddevs -- It was pretty much decided by the coin toss of the game and how I would play out of it, but then we had to take into account things like Sundials and other stalling cards -- It was pretty much heavy influence on coin toss. So we decided to let ddevs coinflip.
I've said it already but I'm really sorry that we had coinflipping this.
Post by: Dm on November 24, 2013, 01:42:17 am
Thanks for reminding me why I absolutely, absolutely hate PVPing you in any competitive PVP.
Post by: Afdarenty on November 24, 2013, 01:47:51 am
Afdarenty 2 - 0 serprex
You both handled the desyncs well, thanks to both of you. Good games.
Post by: rem4life on November 24, 2013, 01:56:14 am
rem4life 2-0 serprex
Post by: Submachine on November 24, 2013, 01:56:48 am
Dm1321 2-1 rem4life
Thanks for reminding me why I absolutely, absolutely hate PVPing you in any competitive PVP.
Now that's an interesting story that I wanna know about. :)
Post by: Afdarenty on November 24, 2013, 02:49:40 am
Well, there's quite a long story to go with these games. The server kept booting both of us from the game at around turn six, too early to really see who was going to win a match. After about three attempts of game 1 I came within one turn of winning, and Dm gave me the win (thanks!). Then game two started. We must have played 6 or 7 games, all of which the server borked in, none of which were close enough to see a winner in a pretty 50/50 match up. We eventually gave up, and tossed a coin which Dm won :) In game 3 I was, again, one turn from winning when the server booted us, and Dm again gave me the win. Some good games, always nice to have a silly final :D
ddevs had to leave due to us taking so long, but he's already seen all the decks I used in the final, so I feel okay to post the result. Thanks for organizing, funniest tourney I've been in so far :D My decks will probably come
I speedbuilt this after having a fairly long halfway through the event. It went 3-1, losing to a grabbow (grr fog :P).
Mono Air, I love you so. This went 4-1, losing the cointoss in the finals.
Pretty much the first deck I thought of, this went 1-0.
This is something pretty close to the deck I played. It was speedbuilt, and modded about 30 seconds before the match. It went 1-0.
Mono Air, I love you so. This went 4-1, losing the cointoss in the finals.
Pretty much the first deck I thought of, this went 1-0.
This is something pretty close to the deck I played. It was speedbuilt, and modded about 30 seconds before the match. It went 1-0.
Post by: TribalTrouble on November 24, 2013, 02:54:15 am
Post by: serprex on November 24, 2013, 03:00:26 am
Ghostal
DarkDomin
FatImmoRush
Dischole
AdrenPsion
AdrenionReflect
SoWisdom
MonoDeath
FireLight
Fractix
RoL/Hope
Pestal
35Pestal
Lycanrush
ChaosPugon
Disquake
GraboidRush
DevQuake (illegal, would've had to mod if I'd've used)
Neurotoxin
Scarabtal
DarkDomin
FatImmoRush
Dischole
AdrenPsion
AdrenionReflect
SoWisdom
MonoDeath
FireLight
Fractix
RoL/Hope
Pestal
35Pestal
Lycanrush
ChaosPugon
Disquake
GraboidRush
DevQuake (illegal, would've had to mod if I'd've used)
Neurotoxin
Scarabtal
Post by: Dm on November 24, 2013, 03:03:53 am
Sometimes less BH and more OD (for example vs Blacksmith and MPots when trying to rush faster.)
Post by: treebeard xiii on November 24, 2013, 11:23:13 am
waterbow
first deck i came up with shortly after i found out qp were restricted
sopbow
the one time i did use it, it was more critter rush than sop as i just outrushed serps dbh
immonova rush
despite only having three novae and three immos it got pretty strong draws I only lost to serp because his pande froze my destroyer which otherwise would have won me the game
SNbow
this was my best deck all tournament only losing once to serp due to my spiders hiding while he was flying arses
first deck i came up with shortly after i found out qp were restricted
sopbow
the one time i did use it, it was more critter rush than sop as i just outrushed serps dbh
immonova rush
despite only having three novae and three immos it got pretty strong draws I only lost to serp because his pande froze my destroyer which otherwise would have won me the game
SNbow
this was my best deck all tournament only losing once to serp due to my spiders hiding while he was flying arses