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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1071643#msg1071643
« Reply #48 on: May 19, 2013, 01:50:49 am »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1071648#msg1071648
« Reply #49 on: May 19, 2013, 01:58:02 am »
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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1071707#msg1071707
« Reply #50 on: May 19, 2013, 07:20:44 am »
I don't understand why no one posted one of the most powerful anti-rush decks. It loses by Unstable Gases only and Thunderstorm/Pandemonium can be countered if played carefuly, and since no DR shield and serious healing exists your opponent wouldn't survive. I used some variations of this, but the basic build was the following:

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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1071731#msg1071731
« Reply #51 on: May 19, 2013, 12:10:22 pm »
I don't understand why no one posted one of the most powerful anti-rush decks. It loses by Unstable Gases only and Thunderstorm/Pandemonium can be countered if played carefuly, and since no DR shield and serious healing exists your opponent wouldn't survive. I used some variations of this, but the basic build was the following:
Prolly cause it is not a tier1 deck IMO in this meta.
You just need so much going on the way you'd like for this deck to be effective.
You would need to draw 1 or 2 fractal (but not 3), a couple of photons, then a luciferin after a fractal, then a hope. If you fail to draw these cards then the deck fizzles, if you draw them in the wrong order or in redundant numbers then your hand will be cluttered with useless cards. And after all this preparation, if the opponent plays an UG then you're still screwed.
Also, the combo takes at least 5-6 turns to set up, by that time you will be close to death if the oppoent plays a monopony or similar.
EDIT: BTW I think you meant light mark in your deck, else how do you play the first luci?

Here is my version if anybody's interested (I called it "crappy rolhope"), I made it but I didnt want to play it since I didnt think it is strong here.
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I'd like to apologize for both failing to wake up early enough to start the tournament on time, and failing to keep control of the time of the rounds as well as I have in the past. I have been in a terrible state of mind mentally lately and it's affected my confidence in doing such important things as this. I know that I can do better and you, as participants, deserve better.
I personally think that you did as well as anybody else could, if not better. And for this, I'm grateful. Most TOs would have postponed the tourney without a second thought, but you stayed and managed to make it to the end. So thankyou.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1071739#msg1071739
« Reply #52 on: May 19, 2013, 12:34:10 pm »
EDIT: BTW I think you meant light mark in your deck, else how do you play the first luci?

Luci is 2 random quanta.
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« Reply #53 on: May 19, 2013, 12:42:06 pm »
EDIT: BTW I think you meant light mark in your deck, else how do you play the first luci?

Luci is 2 random quanta.
LOL, I should play that card more often... I totally forgot about that.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1071753#msg1071753
« Reply #54 on: May 19, 2013, 02:06:26 pm »
I thought about playing a deck like that hope one, but I expected thunderstorm and unstable gas to be rampant, so I didn't bother.  Also, I don't like using decks that require so many cards to actually work (photon, luciferin, hope, fractal) because I have a bad habit of not drawing one of them or something :p  I did see one firefly/hope deck that beat my spidertal deck, though.

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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1072205#msg1072205
« Reply #55 on: May 20, 2013, 08:46:27 am »
nvm...
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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1072216#msg1072216
« Reply #56 on: May 20, 2013, 10:22:28 am »
The truth is EVERY deck (even UGs) are ruined by bad hands. Since this is not farming to care about winability and/or drawing chance of 1000 simulated games, here you have no more than 15 matches to do and the result depends exactly on what the RNG is going to be like in these 15 games. Of course, deckbuilding skills are always important.

That doesn't make sense. The fact that other decks have total faildraws 10% of the time doesn't negate the fact that a RoL/Luciferin/Fractal/Hope deck has faildraws 25% of the time.

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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1072240#msg1072240
« Reply #57 on: May 20, 2013, 11:58:50 am »
That doesn't make sense. The fact that other decks have total faildraws 10% of the time doesn't negate the fact that a RoL/Luciferin/Fractal/Hope deck has faildraws 25% of the time.
This. I think a 4 card combo where none of the pieces is redundant is too fragile in a PVP environement.
You can get away with rolhope only when the rols are upped or the meta is very slow and not focused on MCC.
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Re: Weekly Tournament - May 18th - Speedbuilding - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=49271.msg1072244#msg1072244
« Reply #58 on: May 20, 2013, 12:05:25 pm »
This WAS actually a top tier deck, for two reasons.
1st) No one brings an UG deck, because mono- :air had no Fog or OE to stall, making it much less effective. Do not make the mistake to think that everyone brough UGs.

Hmmm yes...(looks at winner's decks) Oh, seriously, verify the thread before ;)

2nd) Every dragon rush is blocked either partially of fully, and good decks like Spidertal can be completely blocked. You DON'T play 23 Photons, you play just something like 6-8 Photons, keeping a Photon, a Luciferin and a Fractal on your hand in case they are  mass CC-ed. Also, don't forget Luci's healing properties. 10 healing points may look irrelevant in other weekly tournies, but not here, since they were the only healing card and they may even ruin the UG combo if one is used early to CC your Photons. Just my personal point of view. Gl & hf. ;)

Good dragons rushes will probably get you low quite fast, before the combo anyway.
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