Post by: Vineroz on June 25, 2013, 05:42:33 pm
Weekly Tournament - June 29th - The Tech Tower - Unupgraded
Organizer: Higurashi, pikachufan2164, n00b, Vineroz or ddevans96
When?
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Rules
Please read the PvP Tournament rules (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,6997.0.html) carefully before signing up.
Prizes
| 1st | 7,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark + Trophy (Forum Icon) |
| 2nd | 5,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark |
| 3rd | 4,000 electrum |
| 4th | 3,000 electrum |
| 5th | 2,000 electrum |
| 6th | 1,000 electrum |
Players who lose their quarterfinal (Top 8) matches will compete for the 5th and 6th place prizes in a mini-tournament. Prize-eligible players (namely, ones in the top 8) who leave the tournament without notifying the Tournament Organizer of their intent are considered to have forfeited their match, and also their prize.
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Red arrows represent 'dropping' into a different part of the bracket.
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NOTE: Players with fewer than 15 forum posts are not allowed to enter tournaments. Spamming low-quality posts to reach the minimum post count needed to participate will not be tolerated.
Special Rules
- Upgraded cards and shards are not allowed.
- Your deck must contain only 1 type of Pendulum as the only source of quanta generation.
- Your deck cannot include cards that come from the same element as the Pendulums.
- Earthquake/Trident, Discord, Nymph's Tears/Nymph Queen, Luciferin/Light Nymph, Soul Catcher, Rustler and alternative quanta generation cards are banned.
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1st: w4sh1ng7on
2nd: serprex
3rd: dragonsdemesne
4th: Odii Odsen
5th: Zso_Zso
6th: mrpaper
Post by: Vineroz on June 25, 2013, 05:44:12 pm
Q&A:
Q: Why don't you ban Fate Egg/Fallen Elf/Firefly Queen? They can generate/transforming into cards that matches the Pendulum's element or generate quanta generators.
A: They only work indirectly. It was not intended to limit the meta too much.
Q: Why do you ban NT/NQ?
A: NT/NQ directly generates creatures that uses the quanta matching the Pendulum's element. This tournament is avoiding that.
Post by: iancudorinmarian on June 25, 2013, 06:16:48 pm
A question: so theoretically we have to run mono decks? (without having dead cards)
Shouldn't these cards be banned as well?
Post by: treebeard xiii on June 25, 2013, 11:24:33 pm
Post by: serprex on June 25, 2013, 11:34:53 pm
Also Dry Spell
Post by: Imgodzila12 on June 26, 2013, 12:05:31 am
Post by: Rutarete on June 26, 2013, 02:03:28 am
so no pillars? im so confusedYou use pendulums.
Post by: Vineroz on June 26, 2013, 02:06:10 am
Post by: Chapuz on June 26, 2013, 02:21:45 am
Post by: Zso_Zso on June 26, 2013, 02:25:18 am
Post by: CuCN on June 26, 2013, 02:32:30 am
There was similar discussion in previous tourneys too, I think Vine means to allow FFQ, mutation, fate-egg, etc. -- things that do not directly act as quanta source, but have a way to indirectly generate another creature which does.Then why would Tears and Queen be banned?
Post by: Rutarete on June 26, 2013, 03:03:42 am
Those are more of standard bans than those that go against this tourney.There was similar discussion in previous tourneys too, I think Vine means to allow FFQ, mutation, fate-egg, etc. -- things that do not directly act as quanta source, but have a way to indirectly generate another creature which does.Then why would Tears and Queen be banned?
Post by: Vineroz on June 26, 2013, 03:27:43 am
NT/NQ directly generates creatures that uses the quanta matching the Pendulum's element. This tournament is avoiding that.There was similar discussion in previous tourneys too, I think Vine means to allow FFQ, mutation, fate-egg, etc. -- things that do not directly act as quanta source, but have a way to indirectly generate another creature which does.Then why would Tears and Queen be banned?
Post by: dragtom on June 26, 2013, 08:41:14 am
Post by: Vineroz on June 26, 2013, 10:05:45 am
why is solar buckler allowed?
Sorry, missed it. It is now banned.
Post by: Leodip on June 26, 2013, 01:39:18 pm
Post by: Embrada on June 26, 2013, 06:44:30 pm
Post by: xsindomanx on June 26, 2013, 09:25:28 pm
did I read that right only Pendulums and only one type of them that would slow my deck down to do that witch would be fun to try
Correct. Remember to get 3 more posts before the tourney...
Post by: Pella on June 27, 2013, 02:22:32 am
Think I'll have my first go if I can stay awake long enough :DFixed that for ya.did I read that right only Pendulums and only one type of them that would slow my deck down to do that witch would be fun to try
Correct. Remember to get 3 more quality posts before the tourney...
Post by: Imgodzila12 on June 27, 2013, 09:51:16 am
Post by: Vineroz on June 27, 2013, 10:10:19 am
Im still confused so if im using a :life pendulum and a :fire mark i cant use life cards? lol
If you use Life Pendulums, you can't use any other Life cards.
Post by: Acsabi44 on June 27, 2013, 12:16:09 pm
Post by: Odii Odsen on June 27, 2013, 06:44:45 pm
Post by: Vangelios on June 27, 2013, 07:09:55 pm
but if you want to ban only to make sense for the tournament, I agree with you.
Post by: Odii Odsen on June 27, 2013, 07:20:10 pm
ah Odii have meta-games better, if that is your concern
but if you want to ban only to make sense for the tournament, I agree with you.
FFQ is card that produces a creature which is banned. Otherwise unban NQ and NT. (make sense for the tourney)
I think there will be very much FFQ decks, especially because this deck doesn't overquanta your pend-element as much as other decks.
Of course it's easy to say, there are 1000 ways to counter it, but this tourney would be more fun without FFQ (more different decks).
Post by: treebeard xiii on June 27, 2013, 08:54:12 pm
Post by: rob77dp on June 27, 2013, 11:13:52 pm
I'm with Odii yes you may be able to counter ffq it splits the most likely deck into ffq and those that counter ffq tournies are meant to inspire creative deckbuilding at least that was the way I always saw it but when you can see almost certainly what the most prominent decks are going to be before the tourney starts it defeats the object in my opinion
Especially when players come on to the Tourney thread and toss around general deck ideas and predicted meta. :-\ I still do not understand why meta nd ban discussion _develops_ on the Tourney threads. Really it should be for posting during Tourney and TO's posting mod's leading up to the tournament. The request for "ban this" or "ban that" or asking about "what about how this isn't phrased right" should be PM's to TO's and if it results in a change, the question can be quoted by the TO from the PM with the answer as a single post on the thread for that tournament.
Also, from my perusing of the banned/allowed cards I believe the prior claims on here of a certain OP meta are a bit exaggerated, but only time will tell...
*Edit: qualified my use of "deck ideas" in opening statement.
Post by: Zso_Zso on June 28, 2013, 02:12:02 pm
Especially when players come on to the Tourney thread and toss around general deck ideas and predicted meta. :-\ I still do not understand why meta nd ban discussion _develops_ on the Tourney threads. Really it should be for posting during Tourney and TO's posting mod's leading up to the tournament. The request for "ban this" or "ban that" or asking about "what about how this isn't phrased right" should be PM's to TO's and if it results in a change, the question can be quoted by the TO from the PM with the answer as a single post on the thread for that tournament.
This could be easily enforced by locking the thread when created and only unlock it when tourney starts.
That way comments can only be added by the TO, and anybody else noticing missing bans or having any questions would have to send that in PM to the TO.
Post by: Embrada on June 28, 2013, 09:02:38 pm
Post by: Pella on June 28, 2013, 09:38:24 pm
that is a great way to do that but what about those who dont understand how it works
anybody ... having any questions would have to send that in PM to the TO
Post by: Theboss1248 on June 28, 2013, 09:55:53 pm
that is a great way to do that but what about those who dont understand how it worksanybody ... having any questions would have to send that in PM to the TO
I think he may be referring to not knowing how PM works?
Post by: Pella on June 28, 2013, 10:24:32 pm
I think he may be referring to not knowing how PM works?IIRC, each person receives an auto-PM when joining the forum, so should at least be exposed to it. If it were the case, though, that someone honestly didn't know how to use PMs, s/he could visit the "Ask a Simple Question" thread and get the answer there. Ignorance is excusable; laziness is not.
Post by: Naii_the_Baf on June 29, 2013, 02:19:51 am
also, my deck is this one:
what am I going to do without stone pillars?! please unban stone pillars.
also, shouldn't firefly queen card should be banned? firefly card is banned. and.... ARE YOU NUTZ?! NOT EVEN A SINGLE PILLAR?! I'M DEAD!!!!!!!!
I DON'T HAVE A SINGLE EARTH PENDULUM!!!!! I JUST HAVE 2
!!!!!!!
Post by: Drake_XIV on June 29, 2013, 02:23:47 am
Post by: ddevans96 on June 29, 2013, 06:33:25 am
Beyond that, tournaments are different every week, so it's more than likely you'll be able to use your mono-earth next week.
For the record, the place to post that deck is >here< (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/board,56.0.html).
Post by: DANIEELA on June 29, 2013, 08:41:17 am
or even bether...ROFFLOFLMFAO :P
Post by: Vangelios on June 29, 2013, 10:53:41 am
All that i can say...ROFLOLMAO ;Dstay quietly okay :)
or even bether...ROFFLOFLMFAO :P
Post by: glennfoo on June 29, 2013, 02:54:49 pm
Post by: Vineroz on June 29, 2013, 03:08:10 pm
I am very curious now, it seems I am not able to access elementsthegame. Is it just me, or others have the same problem too?
It is certainly not just you. To all players out there: If you are prepared to join this tournament, please make sure to come into tournament chat room earlier, to follow the updates of the tournament.
Post by: Embrada on June 29, 2013, 03:54:49 pm
Post by: DANIEELA on June 29, 2013, 04:02:46 pm
All that i can say...ROFLOLMAO ;Dstay quietly okay :)
or even bether...ROFFLOFLMFAO :P
NO...OKAY?
Post by: treebeard xiii on June 29, 2013, 04:29:33 pm
ggs nice deck you had but mine were faster
Post by: Zso_Zso on June 29, 2013, 04:31:41 pm
Blacksmith: 0
GGs, 1st game I won with 1hp, sorry, my friend!
Post by: Odii Odsen on June 29, 2013, 04:33:03 pm
Bad day for Vangelios. Still good decks from him! I think there were better than mine.
Post by: rob77dp on June 29, 2013, 04:33:13 pm
midian: 0
Well done midian. Mirror match game 2 was quite interesting!
Post by: mrpaper on June 29, 2013, 04:34:18 pm
ji412jo 1
Post by: dragonsdemesne on June 29, 2013, 04:42:42 pm
glennfoo - 1
GGs!
Post by: Mort on June 29, 2013, 04:44:50 pm
DANIEELA 1
gg
Post by: serprex on June 29, 2013, 04:46:01 pm
Post by: Odii Odsen on June 29, 2013, 04:55:24 pm
Post by: treebeard xiii on June 29, 2013, 05:07:40 pm
ggs and loved the second deck you used
Post by: Leodip on June 29, 2013, 05:08:53 pm
treebeard xiii 2-1 LeodipYours was awesome, too.
ggs and loved the second deck you used
Post by: dragonsdemesne on June 29, 2013, 05:09:42 pm
zso_zso - 0
GGs! Never thought of trying that first deck... but then, he never though of trying my second deck... :p
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 29, 2013, 05:17:56 pm
Mort: 0
Post by: serprex on June 29, 2013, 05:38:43 pm
Post by: serprex on June 29, 2013, 06:05:07 pm
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 29, 2013, 06:05:39 pm
rob77dp: 1
Post by: mrpaper on June 29, 2013, 06:28:11 pm
rob77dp 1
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 29, 2013, 07:04:32 pm
Odii Odsen: 1
Post by: dragonsdemesne on June 29, 2013, 07:06:55 pm
odii odsen - 0
He left bronze, so I'm 3rd and he's 4th. I'll post decks when final is done, and let you judge whether I got screwed in semis or not :p
Post by: Zso_Zso on June 29, 2013, 07:10:47 pm
mrpaper: 1
GGs, had insane draw-luck in the last one -- its good to be a Wizard :P
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 29, 2013, 07:46:51 pm
serprex: 0
Post by: dragonsdemesne on June 29, 2013, 08:00:13 pm
I'd been anticipating a lot of firefly queens, for obvious reasons. I also figured steam machines would be pretty widely used, and I saw both twice. Beyond that, I thought that people might use mind flayers and lobotomizers because most people would be using creatures with abilities off of the pendulum quanta, but I never saw anyone do that. I don't think any one deck was OP this tourney, although the firestall was probably the strongest deck this time around that I had.
Firestall 3-1
-round 1 game 1 win vs glennfoo (steamies)
-round 2 game 2 win vs zsozso (FFQ/shockwave)
-round 3 game 1 win vs serprex (lycan/abom/pande)
-round 3 game 3 loss vs serprex (loss vs FFQ/blessing, drew no CC)
Figured with the slow environment this should do well, and other than a hard fail against FFQ, it didn't disappoint. Somehow my CC managed to hide; I killed the first queen and had no more CC all game except for a fireshield near the end.
graboid/golem rush 0-1
Lost to UG/wings, for obvious reasons. No chance. Didn't use it again.
Pulverized! 2-1
-round 1 game 3 vs glennfoo win vs death poison/wall/plague
-round 2 game 1 vs zsozso win vs golem/phoenix/fshield
-round 3 game 2 vs serprex loss vs steam/freeze (got quanta flooded)
Pulvy did pretty good as a pseudo-trident here. Won against glennfoo because earth creatures have good hp vs plague, and pulvy broke down his walls, arsenic, and pends. Against zso, an auburn nymph locked his board down pretty good, and pulvy did its thing again. Against serprex, I never got a pulvy, and I didn't get a nymph until very late, and he froze it after the first activation. Not a great matchup for me; it depends a lot on how many freezes he had as to what my odds were, but I think he played at least 3-4, so he probably had 6, and so I didn't have too much of a chance.
Everything else (unused)
cheap chrysaora
steampunk
brain freeze (squid/flayer/dragon)
toadfish squid
lycans
FFQ/hope
UG/wings
poisoned dolls
dem bones (was gonna use this if i got to bronze/finals, but odii conceded bronze)
steampunk
brain freeze (squid/flayer/dragon)
toadfish squid
lycans
FFQ/hope
UG/wings
poisoned dolls
dem bones (was gonna use this if i got to bronze/finals, but odii conceded bronze)
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 29, 2013, 08:12:46 pm
Post by: dragonsdemesne on June 29, 2013, 08:16:06 pm
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 29, 2013, 08:21:21 pm
Fractal immortals, the new secret deck.
kkkk, I know, I have two lists recorded, and a wrong, and accidentally pulled it ...Fortunately it does not hurt the game.
This is the right deck:
Post by: treebeard xiii on June 29, 2013, 09:35:11 pm
FFQ
I was amongst the people who wanted ffq banned because it would break the idea behind the tourney don't like loopholes much and when I did use it I wasn't disproved won comfortably.
Lava golems
The first of two decks I built to counter ffq not to mention golems pack a punch first time I used it won easily with creatures to stop the cc my opponent was packing.
Second one I lost due to bad luck slow start, only one bit of cc and my opponent getting a very fast draw should have been an easy win but alas rng decided against it.
Lycans
another deck with queens in mind worked beautifully until my opponent's pandemonium copied a drag and me only drawing one matter card it 25 cards.
Spirits
never got to use this one would've had I got further, another bit of growth
Steamy
In case you didn't know I like growth and these guys are my favourite never got to use it but I feel it would've done well, would have used it in my next match.
Speed poison
Another deck thinking back that would have countered ffq but when I built I wasn't thinking about queens, used it once and locked down my opponents creatures as expected three early squids didn't help him much.
Pharoah
Another deck that cold potentially kill queens decks but i built it because I like scarabs, used it once early eternity stung my opponent big time only started eating things on the turn I won rushed supported by eternity.
Grabbies
No duo tourney is complete without you freindly neighbourhood grabbies I built this as a pseudo stall but i was mainly a rush deck effectively it could deckout wings decks neverused this and most likely wouldn't have until finals as it isn't as stable as my other decks.
infect-a-doll
This was a little gimmick deck no tourney deck set of mine is complete without a fun deck it was purely for fun I used it against Leodip as he said he was going to use a fun deck I lost only one parasite drawn which was killed by an elfs mutation and then he got a 12 attack mutant wth dive which sealed the duel
Toady
This deck came to mind just before tourney started as normally I make shock lock rather than toadfish rush, used this first game my opponent's cc couldn't keep up with my toadies and and ice shield freezing his oe killed his chances of recovering dead.
The tourney I believed I could win easily ruined by rng but such is life. Next time rng I promise next time :|
I was amongst the people who wanted ffq banned because it would break the idea behind the tourney don't like loopholes much and when I did use it I wasn't disproved won comfortably.
Lava golems
The first of two decks I built to counter ffq not to mention golems pack a punch first time I used it won easily with creatures to stop the cc my opponent was packing.
Second one I lost due to bad luck slow start, only one bit of cc and my opponent getting a very fast draw should have been an easy win but alas rng decided against it.
Lycans
another deck with queens in mind worked beautifully until my opponent's pandemonium copied a drag and me only drawing one matter card it 25 cards.
Spirits
never got to use this one would've had I got further, another bit of growth
Steamy
In case you didn't know I like growth and these guys are my favourite never got to use it but I feel it would've done well, would have used it in my next match.
Speed poison
Another deck thinking back that would have countered ffq but when I built I wasn't thinking about queens, used it once and locked down my opponents creatures as expected three early squids didn't help him much.
Pharoah
Another deck that cold potentially kill queens decks but i built it because I like scarabs, used it once early eternity stung my opponent big time only started eating things on the turn I won rushed supported by eternity.
Grabbies
No duo tourney is complete without you freindly neighbourhood grabbies I built this as a pseudo stall but i was mainly a rush deck effectively it could deckout wings decks neverused this and most likely wouldn't have until finals as it isn't as stable as my other decks.
infect-a-doll
This was a little gimmick deck no tourney deck set of mine is complete without a fun deck it was purely for fun I used it against Leodip as he said he was going to use a fun deck I lost only one parasite drawn which was killed by an elfs mutation and then he got a 12 attack mutant wth dive which sealed the duel
Toady
This deck came to mind just before tourney started as normally I make shock lock rather than toadfish rush, used this first game my opponent's cc couldn't keep up with my toadies and and ice shield freezing his oe killed his chances of recovering dead.
Post by: Vangelios on June 29, 2013, 10:13:38 pm
Well, I used this
thinking be using this
Round Two
I then used this
thinking be using this
I told Glenn I was emotionally committed, but I think now I'm unconsciously committed.
Post by: serprex on June 29, 2013, 10:34:09 pm
This deck did better than it should've. The idea is to use a bunch of cheap cards so that I wouldn't need that many pends
First game: Embrada's using Pheonix/Crimson Dragon. I use CS, TU. I use CS, Lobotomize (...), I use pandemonium, TU's the copy I copied and then kills his. The game was still close, so if I hadn't had perfect RNG he would've 2-0ed me
Second game against Treebeard: he used his chaos deck too. Since he only drew one Antimatter, the match was essentially us taking turns using Pandemonium. Funnest game of the tournament. I thought I'd lost for most of the game, but a couple Pandemoniums later I ended up with a Purple Dragon and won
Third game against Treebeard: I decided to use this again. If he'd drawn a bit more CC (a nymph...) he probably would've won
This lost against dragonsdemesne's Firestall. It wasn't until very near the end that I cast Pandemonium as a joke on my Lycanthrope. He was surprised, as he had thought my hand was full of Antimatters
This deck let me down. Game two against Embrada, I thought this would win easily. Firebolts said otherwise. Against Treebeard, he had me permafrosted. In my last game, they all died to parasites and couldn't get past a Dusk Mantle. The only game I won with this was against dragonsdemesne's Pulvy deck, where freezing his only drawn Nymph made things pretty straight forward. He probably could've 2-0ed me with his Firestall
I would've used this more if I didn't feel decks would try hard counter it. Blessing was vital in keeping a FFQ healthy against dragonsdemesne's Fire Shield in our last game. I used it against Embrada since it seemed to be the only thing I had that could beat his one deck
I wanted to use the UG deck early on, but I didn't have any UG cards. It would've been rather useful. So while waiting (for a long time...) for w4sh, I sold a Feral Bond and bought this deck. Lo and behold he opens with his 4 pulvy deck. It was lost either way, since I never drew my last UG, but honestly this deck could use a few -wings +pend
Thanks Embrada for supporting me even though you should've been clenching your teeth like everyone else. Sorry dragonsdemesne for losing Finals to w4sh, but my luck had to run out at some point. Hope you feel better for next week treebeard, keep up with your solid deckbuilding and you can have the same high chance of winning as you did this week
Post by: rob77dp on June 30, 2013, 12:33:20 am
Hopefully I am not opening a can of worms here, but please review below (to whom it may concern):
Fractal immortals, the new secret deck.
kkkk, I know, I have two lists recorded, and a wrong, and accidentally pulled it ...Fortunately it does not hurt the game.
This is the right deck:
Well, the one you originally posted - with the Gravity Pendulums - was used at least once as I beat you in my 2nd match 1st game (by deckout) with you using it. I'm not sure if it means anything 'funny' was going on, but seems suspicious you have confused deck codes but claim to have it straight now but yet the one you used vs me was claimed mistaken. ???
Post by: w4sh1ng7on on June 30, 2013, 03:31:13 am
Fractal immortals, the new secret deck.
kkkk, I know, I have two lists recorded, and a wrong, and accidentally pulled it ...Fortunately it does not hurt the game.
This is the right deck:
Well, the one you originally posted - with the Gravity Pendulums - was used at least once as I beat you in my 2nd match 1st game (by deckout) with you using it. I'm not sure if it means anything 'funny' was going on, but seems suspicious you have confused deck codes but claim to have it straight now but yet the one you used vs me was claimed mistaken. ???
The list with pendulums Gravity is that I played with you, I picked it up by mistake. Should have got the list with pendulums of time. As I was with several tabs open at once in my browser, I noticed that neither element pendulums were cared when the deck to play with you. Once the game started I realized, it was too late to cry, so I tried to play the way it was.
Post by: Leodip on June 30, 2013, 08:58:19 am
[...]This was a little gimmick deck no tourney deck set of mine is complete without a fun deck it was purely for fun I used it against Leodip as he said he was going to use a fun deck I lost only one parasite drawn which was killed by an elfs mutation and then he got a 12 attack mutant wth dive which sealed the duel[...]Sorry for that.
Decks used:
Bad Firesteam:
Bad indeed, I had two builds, this one that was the "beta" just to remember that I'd have to build it for the tournament, and another better balanced. Played the wrong one and noticed only when I sent the list to Vine. Oh well, early Eternity and it was game already.
Mutate Quartet:
Well, theorically speaking it IS a quartet. Had lot of fun, even though I lost at the first match (p.s.you actually didn't make it to the prizes, did you treebeard? :( )
Bad indeed, I had two builds, this one that was the "beta" just to remember that I'd have to build it for the tournament, and another better balanced. Played the wrong one and noticed only when I sent the list to Vine. Oh well, early Eternity and it was game already.
Mutate Quartet:
Well, theorically speaking it IS a quartet. Had lot of fun, even though I lost at the first match (p.s.you actually didn't make it to the prizes, did you treebeard? :( )
I had other decks, Speed Poison, FFQ, FireStallBreak (using the Lava Golems as growing creatures) and a ScarabSwarm in which, I forgot, I hadn't the Eternity in, lol.