Weekly Tournament - April 21st - It was Super Effective! - Semi-Upgraded

[Submachine]

"Oh no! That Rhydon is immune to our electric attacks. Pikachu, use Thunderbolt on its horn!"
"Holy shit, that worked?!"

Weekly Tournament - April 21st - It was Super Effective! - Semi-Upgraded
Tournament Organizers: kaempfer13, Vindilos, Submachine or Naii_the_Baf

When? To find out your local time, check this link: https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20190421T20 Tournament has started.

Where? Please enter the Tournament room at least 15 minutes before the tournament starts. Click "Rooms" in the top left to find it.

Rules Please read the PvP Tournament rules carefully before joining the tournament. Remember to also read the Special Rules listed below!

Prizes 1st place 5,000 electrum + Nymph/Mark + Trophy (Forum Icon) 2nd place 5,000 electrum 3rd place 4,000 electrum 4th place 3,000 electrum In case of 16 or more players, tournament prizes will be increased.

Points for the World Championship 1st place 4 points 2nd place 2 points 3rd place 1 point

NOTE: You need just one presentable forum post to be allowed to join tournaments; you can post it here. If this will be your first tournament, a Tournament Organizer will test your knowledge about the rules. So please be present in tournament room 30 minutes before the tournament starts.



Special Rules

• Choose your Pokémon before each round!
  Share your chosen Pokémon with the TO before each round to check the amount of upgrades you can use.
  
  

  Pokémon	Type	Attacks
  Alolan Raichu		Electric, Psychic
  Azumarill		Water, Fairy
  Celebi		Grass, Psychic
  Charizard		Fire, Flying
  Claydol		Ground, Psychic
  Decidueye		Grass, Ghost
  Drampa		Normal, Dragon
  Dratini		Dragon
  Gengar		Ghost, Poison
  Hawlucha		Fighting, Flying
  Heliolisk		Electric, Normal
  Honchkrow		Dark, Flying
  Infernape		Fire, Fighting
  Lucario		Fighting, Steel
  Magnemite		Electric, Steel
  Mamoswine		Ice, Ground
  Mega Altaria		Dragon, Fairy
  Mega Audino		Normal, Fairy
  Nihilego		Rock, Poison
  Volcarona		Bug, Fire
  Walrein		Water, Ice

  .
• You can only use cards that match your Pokémon's types. Deck mark must also be of your types.
  This also means Other cards can only be used by Normal-types.
• 5 or more non-PPM cards must be used of each type of your Pokémon.
• For the following rules, refer to Gen7 Pokémon type advantages: (You can ask a TO if you are unsure.)
• If you have an attack that is super effective against your opponent's chosen Pokémon, you can use 25 or less upgrades. (50 if you are double super effective with one of your attacks.)
• If all your attacks are not very effective against your opponent's chosen Pokémon, you can use 5 or less upgrades.
• Otherwise, you can use 12 or less upgrades.
• The following cards are banned:
  
  
  Banlist

  

  Hover over cards for details, click for permalink

  Deck import code : [Select]

  4vl 55s 593 5ic 5li 5p0 5um 61t

Tournament Organizer Note If you think there is an overpowered card that ought to be banned, or you have some concerns about the tournament metagame, mechanics or other stuff, do NOT post it publicly in the comments or anywhere else on the Forums. Instead, send a private message to Tournament Organizers, who will privately discuss about it. Thanks for your cooperation.

TOURNAMENTS Q&A

Q: = ‘other’ cards?
A: Yes. This also means if your Pokémon is not a Normal-type, you cannot use Other cards.

Q: When the rules mention Other cards, do they include Quantum Pillar/Tower?
A: Yes.

Q: How can I tell if my attacks are effective or not? The TO tells me?
A: That is correct. From the rules: "Share your chosen Pokémon with the TO before each round to check the amount of upgrades you can use."

[Wyand]

• For the following rules, refer to Gen7 Pokémon type advantages: (You can ask a TO if you are unsure.)
• If you have an attack that is super effective against your opponent's chosen Pokémon, you can use 25 or less upgrades. (50 if you are double super effective with one of your attacks.)
• If all your attacks are not very effective against your opponent's chosen Pokémon, you can use 5 or less upgrades.

Have no idea about these. Explanation, please. Btw, how the hell can I tell if my attacks are effective or not? The TO tells me? And why having less ups when your attacks
are not effective? Double disadvantage? Why?

[serprex]

https://pokemondb.net/type

So if you pick Infernape & opponent picks Walrein then your opponent gets 25 ups & you get 25 ups (fire super effective vs ice, water super effective vs fire). Whereas if they picked Heliolisk then they'd get 25 ups while you'd have 12 ups

[InsignificantWeeaboo]

The chart serp linked doesn't have Fairy on it. Here's one that does:

[PlayerOa]

= ‘other’ cards?

[Wyand]

Thx for the info, guys. Though, I still don't understand why having less upgrades when you are already overpowered.

[serprex]

Being effective does not mean the inverse is ineffective. You'll notice the chart has attacking & defending axises while not being symmetrical

If two players pick Magnemite then both will have only 5 ups

[Submachine]

I still don't understand why having less upgrades when you are already overpowered.

You will rarely face a situation when your opponent is "super effective" against you AND all of your attacks are "not very effective" against your opponent.

Serprex ninjad me on this one.

how the hell can I tell if my attacks are effective or not? The TO tells me?

That is correct. From the rules: "Share your chosen Pokémon with the TO before each round to check the amount of upgrades you can use."

= ‘other’ cards?

Yes. This also means if your Pokémon is not a Normal-type, you cannot use Other cards.

[Wyand]

Yes. This also means if your Pokémon is not a Normal-type, you cannot use Other cards.

Does this include QPs/QTs?

[Submachine]

Yes. This also means if your Pokémon is not a Normal-type, you cannot use Other cards.

Does this include QPs/QTs?

Yes. I am putting this in the rules to clarify.

[Submachine]

The following link can also be helpful for the tournament:

https://pkmn.help/

If you select the Defense tab and set the type of your chosen Pokémon, you can see how other decks change their upgrades against your deck.

[Kalinuial]

I'm not finding some of the clarifications, 300 data point match-up chart, and link helpful at all.  In fact, I feel even more of an outsider in not understanding Pokemon.  I wish I could say I'd like to study all this new stuff.  I don't.  There's already 4 votes for not liking this tourney..I think its more about it seeming overly complicated and unclear as opposed to an objection to the Pokemon theme.

Make it so the EtG-mechanics and rules are clear and easy to understand.  For starters, set a fixed amount of upgrades per Pokemon character.  Don't change upgrades based on specific match-ups. A deck that was pre-built for 12 ups may not function at 5 ups.  What's the player to do?  Speedbuild?  How much time do they have to build?  Why invite this complication?

Even if upgrades are not the same for all "types" it should have nothing to do with Pokemon-balancing (as that seems to be the case at the moment) and have everything to do with EtG-balancing.  Why would I study a Pokemon type calculator?  What I need to know is the ups for the type.  Post that info clearly upfront. Also think participants should be able to pick 2 or 3 "types" to build decks from for a round so they aren't sitting dead in a best of 3 vs. a counter.