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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg399888#msg399888
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2011, 11:06:28 pm »
Why even bother with immo? What will we blow up? Saders?
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400756#msg400756
« Reply #25 on: September 28, 2011, 06:16:47 pm »
Why even bother with immo? What will we blow up? Saders?
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400851#msg400851
« Reply #26 on: September 28, 2011, 10:32:23 pm »
eternity and owls are the only CC, unless you decide to use overdrive and adren, but with no shields, that would be a bad idea.

So with no shields, and only 2 forms of CC, an early discord will shut down every deck.  If you have 6 discords, you can easily win in 6-7 turns, and if you play discord first turn, you screw your opponent over for a good 3 turns.  Rainbow flying weapon decks are slow, and cannot produce the quanta needed for the weapon abilities efficient enough to be a big threat.  Entropy pends or towers will be needed for supernovas otherwise the discord can still cripple even a rainbow deck, and they need to get lucky with the QT's producing entropy.

This is faster than just flying discords.  Build counters against it if you can.
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400853#msg400853
« Reply #27 on: September 28, 2011, 10:36:01 pm »
If everyone used that deck, bucksie, this tournament would be a free mark.
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400892#msg400892
« Reply #28 on: September 29, 2011, 12:15:52 am »
If Acceleration is a buff then so is Liquid Shadow.
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400904#msg400904
« Reply #29 on: September 29, 2011, 12:42:04 am »
Lololz. I know what I'm running if I make it.

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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400907#msg400907
« Reply #30 on: September 29, 2011, 12:59:33 am »
Weird tournament. The fact that that 12/16 weapons are rare and only crusader. It was always stated that a tournament relying heavily on rares would not come to be due to virtually preventing a "new" player from winning due to the fact that they dont have the required rares. Rares would be optional and not necessary to win. Other weapons cant stand up to several of the rares.

If i recall there was even a word from Zanzarino on this from years back. Rares would be optional and not necessary to win.

The idea is fun though as a PvP event but as a tournament, no.
Well another thing to think about is that there is a 30 post minimum now, so that rules out the new players also. So this is a tourny for non new players but that sort of came into effect a few weeks ago. I think this tournament will be fun. I don't think I have the upgraded cards to compete but you never know. Hopefully I can make it to one

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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400962#msg400962
« Reply #31 on: September 29, 2011, 04:17:48 am »
Technically Basilisks Blood should be allowed. It buffs a creature's life with 20 extra at the cost of 6 turns delay.
Technically Liquid Shadows should be allowed. It buffs a creature with vampire at the cost of poisoning for 1.
Technically Rage Elixir should be allowed. It buffs a creature's attack with 6 at the cost of 6 life.
Technically Holy Light should be allowed. It buffs a creature by healing up to 10 or at the cost of its use, damage darkness or death creatures instead of healing your own.

Those four cards cards are buffs that with a secondary effect causes some weakish form of control, you cant disagree with that fact. They buff stats or gives status effects while they also can be used as control. If they remain banned then accelerate should technically be banned too.

If purify is allowed then so should Heal, Luciferin and Holy Light be too. They heal just as Purify does.
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg400967#msg400967
« Reply #32 on: September 29, 2011, 04:38:03 am »
I second what rasta said, purify makes no sense, why only arsenic gets to have a hard counter?
I don't think overdrive will be used as CC, but well it can be used as CC/lobo
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg401087#msg401087
« Reply #33 on: September 29, 2011, 01:03:08 pm »
Em, I am pretty surprised that Rage Potion, and Liquid Shadow are not allowed. No matter how hard you deny it, they are buff cards. I never look at those "pictures" and only base my decks on the rules alone. This would trick me into cheating.

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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg401107#msg401107
« Reply #34 on: September 29, 2011, 01:48:35 pm »
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Re: Eastern Tournament - October 1st - Swords Master - Upgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=31596.msg401178#msg401178
« Reply #35 on: September 29, 2011, 04:36:12 pm »
Rage Elixir insta kills most flown weapons and Crusaders, might as well throw in Thunderbolts if you were to allow that;
Liquid Shadow Lobotomizes a Weapon at little risk, do you really, really hate/fear Overdrive added that much? Without proper healing that extra damage is practically suicide.

Both are extremely effective CC in this tournament, so I don't see how you couldn't understand them not being added with other CC banned on purpose. Basilisk Blood is mainly CC, too, and Holy Light's healing is not equal to buffing creatures. Purify is hardly game breaking (why would you use that?), but allows a possible counter to Arsenic.

As for (unupgraded) non-rare decks, adrenabow is a possible deck that has won tournaments before.

 

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