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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257534#msg257534
« Reply #24 on: January 26, 2011, 03:34:21 am »
Novas are banned? So I can't use a water/entropy/earth "trio" with quantum pillars and novas? :(
Guess you are pretty serious about it being duos and trios. Planning to ban quantum pillars as well?
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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257538#msg257538
« Reply #25 on: January 26, 2011, 03:41:26 am »
[off topic] hey, root, wonder which of us will get our second tourney win :)[/off topic]

hm... this tournament allows a lot of space to work with...

hm.... fire/water goodness...

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257565#msg257565
« Reply #26 on: January 26, 2011, 04:21:45 am »
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EDIT: I added pendulums to make it a better example of everything that's technically allowed in a trio deck to my knowledge and put the image in a spoiler to consume less page space. If this would not be allowed with the change, please correct me. Otherwise, I believe willng3's response still applies to this deck. Also, thank you for answering my question so quickly, willng3.

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257571#msg257571
« Reply #27 on: January 26, 2011, 04:22:44 am »
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Other cards are not considered a legitimate Element, so your three elements are :entropy, :fire, and :water; your mark is irrelevant.  This is indeed a trio.
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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257752#msg257752
« Reply #28 on: January 26, 2011, 02:55:28 pm »
Pends or whatever aren't relevant. They must be three cards of your element, whatever they are. "Other" cards don't count, and your mark doesn't honestly.

But good luck with that deck. You won't be using that gravity anyway.

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257961#msg257961
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2011, 09:29:58 pm »
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Other cards are not considered a legitimate Element, so your three elements are :entropy, :fire, and :water; your mark is irrelevant.  This is indeed a trio.
I think his mark is gravity so his Hammer can do extra damage, though it should be earth... gonna start building my deck

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg257972#msg257972
« Reply #30 on: January 26, 2011, 09:44:21 pm »
If you're going to allow a 29 card, 1 photon deck to be legal, then why not just make monos legal?

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg258009#msg258009
« Reply #31 on: January 26, 2011, 10:31:24 pm »
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Other cards are not considered a legitimate Element, so your three elements are :entropy, :fire, and :water; your mark is irrelevant.  This is indeed a trio.
I think his mark is gravity so his Hammer can do extra damage, though it should be earth... gonna start building my deck
No, his deck was just an example to address his questions; he wasn't actually planning on using it.  The reason I said it was irrelevant was because the Mark was not counted in the 3-4 element minimum.
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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg258026#msg258026
« Reply #32 on: January 26, 2011, 11:29:54 pm »
If you're going to allow a 29 card, 1 photon deck to be legal, then why not just make monos legal?
Cuz that is how this tournament was/is made. No changing it now... Complaints won't matter

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg258029#msg258029
« Reply #33 on: January 26, 2011, 11:32:13 pm »
If you're going to allow a 29 card, 1 photon deck to be legal, then why not just make monos legal?
Cuz that is how this tournament was/is made. No changing it now... Complaints won't matter
Just because it's been posted doesn't mean it can't be tweaked. These things often have slight rules changes as people offer input.

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg258376#msg258376
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2011, 03:38:41 pm »
29 cards of one element with 1 card in the other element also count as duo......
I want to note something about looking at rules, that applies in general, even outside the internet.

I have to illustrate it with an offtopic story that really happened:
A rich man wanted to live in a village in the mountains. He builds a villa there. Around his earth the builds a fence. Now this little village has some rules (a.k.a. the village-law). One of those rules is: "Fences can be only build out of stone". What did the man do? Without knowing the village-law he has build a fence out of metal.
Some of you will cry: "He has broken the law, he has to change the fence immediantly". But in fact he was completely innocent. The judge decided that in this case the grammatical interpretation (a.k.a. "the text IS the law") is not correct and went with the teleological interpretation (teleos [not to confuse with theos] means something in the direction of "will"/"intention"). The question was "why has this law been created?". The answer was: Because up in the mountais wood is raw, and building fences out of wood would be a waste. It was never the intention of that law to prohibit metal fences. In some countries (only example I know is switzerland but I'm sure there are more) it is absolutely legal for the judge to re-interpretate the law and, in a way, to ignore it.

Why am I bringing this up? Because I see really often devils advocates around. If someone leaves a match after 0.0035 second because he sees that he has the wrong mark then the opposite side could just ignore it insdead of crying "left = forefeit". On the other hand, if someone takes a 29 cards mono + 1 photon deck then I think tournament organisers are still allowed to kick him from the tournament.
But I'm not even asking that all the "mono"-users will be kicked, or that organisers will arbitarily make up their own rules, or that we start living in anarchy. I'm asking that everyone should try to be nice, and to be a little more fair than he has to be.
I really feel like those thoughts should be stickied to google or get printed on the moon so that everyone will be reminded to calm down and forgive, from time to time.
This is why I expect to not see too many monos in this tournament.

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Re: Eastern Tournament - Jan 29th - Duos/Trios - Unupgraded https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=20238.msg258380#msg258380
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2011, 03:50:58 pm »
Hehe. Cute story. Yes, I'm going to see what no restrictions do, rather than repeat the confusion it always causes. Fact is, we've always tried to make rules to avoid loopholes. We've never really left it to trust participants. We'll see what happens. World won't end if we get some fake monos; I'll just be disappointed in those users. Even then, the bans ensure some originality, so I'm fine with it.

Some users even want some no-restriction tourneys again. Rules aren't everything. ^_^
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