Eastern Tournament - 9 October 2010 - Duality - unupgraded

[chum3]

Definitely wouldn't go as far as to ban Discord or the combo. But do you really think people are so unimaginative that they only had Discord/Black Hole in mind? Yes, that combo did jump to my mind, but the first thing I thought of was Darkness/Light (but I'm a Darkness nut ...). Besides, if I recall, one of the last mono-deck tourneys we had was won by a Darkness deck trumping an Entropy deck (and you'd think Discord would have dominated the whole tourney).

(alright, found that match:

)

However, if the consensus is that people are going to mostly use Gravity/Entropy, then I wouldn't be against requiring to change your deck every round. Whatever you decide, just reflect it in the rules in a reasonable amount of time.

[Memorystick]

After watching the video, I'd have to disagree- the discord didn't show up until after a sizable store of darkness quanta was built up, and two of them got stolen immediately. Thus, the discords didn't have that much of an influence. It might have swung the match (notice the "might") if a discord had shown up earlier. I'm not saying discord is OP- in a similar situation for, say, air, an early owl's eye could have swung the match as well. An important thing to remember about discord is that a larger quanta pool will better resist it than a smaller one- like at the beginning of a match. (plus, it creates a dangerous situation if the opponent has a pulvy, trident, or a creature with off-element abilities)
To be honest, I don't really care whether or not different decks per match are made mandatory or not- I just want to have fun ^_^

[chum3]

After watching the video, I'd have to disagree- the discord didn't show up until after a sizable store of darkness quanta was built up, and two of them got stolen immediately. Thus, the discords didn't have that much of an influence. It might have swung the match (notice the "might") if a discord had shown up earlier. I'm not saying discord is OP- in a similar situation for, say, air, an early owl's eye could have swung the match as well. An important thing to remember about discord is that a larger quanta pool will better resist it than a smaller one- like at the beginning of a match. (plus, it creates a dangerous situation if the opponent has a pulvy, trident, or a creature with off-element abilities)
To be honest, I don't really care whether or not different decks per match are made mandatory or not- I just want to have fun ^_^

Well you see now, Darkness is just so awesome to have Steals. But yes, how a person draws is a large factor in determining the outcome.

Also, good to keep the spirit of fun.

[Higurashi]

What's the final word on Marks?  Can they be a third color, or do they have to belong to one of the two existing colors?

Marks do not define an Element. You can have any mark.

[kobisjeruk]

i think he refer to mark cards (notice the plural)
even though it belongs in 'Other' i think it is safe to assume mark cards correspond to their element

[Higurashi]

Mark cards that are not of your mark work just like pillars. Naturally they belong to their element.
As for this Discord+Black Hole discussion, I'll say this: it's not OP by far, but the real problem is variety. That's why I'll happily add a rule that says you have to change decks every match.

[Rastafla]

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[Higurashi]

Updated rules to specify you need to change elements of your deck, and thus completely change the deck. Only saying change leads to ambiguity about how little change. Some smartass could change their deck a little bit and play again.

[kev]

Mark cards that are not of your mark work just like pillars. Naturally they belong to their element.

Just wanted to point out that this is a departure from how marks have been treated historically.  Marks are "Other" cards and have been treated as "Other" cards in other tourneys, pvp events, and War.

It's up to the TOs, of course, and it won't dramatically effect deckbuilding.  But to those with marks, it's a noteworthy ruling.

[Higurashi]

Mm, wasn't making a general statement.

[killsdazombies]

changed rule on card amount.

[Higurashi]

I'd really appreciate if you didn't do that to a tourny you're not going to organize, without even discussing it. I wanted 40% at first so it would be a noticable duo, but 12 works as well, since most people won't use fat decks. 1/3 is too little, as I stated when we discussed 30%. This comes across as completely respectless to the organization and how we shouldn't keep changing the rules.
That said, I'm not gonna change it back. Enough is enough.