Round 8 - Decks

[valuka]

Round 8 - Decks

Xinef

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[valuka]

Gl Xinef!

[Dragoon]

This is the only deck that survived last round from Death:

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You probably want to go through the last few rounds though and see if they have enough cards for a different Duo (or even Mono).  I suppose you'll probably play the Darkness Duo.

[edunavas]

Decks they used round 7

Won deck

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Lost decks

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4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 52g 52g 52g 52q 52q 52t 52t 52t 52t 52t 542 542 542 542 542 590 590 590 590 590 595 5f6 5i7 5i7 5og

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52j 52j 52j 52j 52j 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 542 5bs 5bs 5bt 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c7 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de

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52u 52u 52u 58s 58s 5bs 5bt 5bt 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f6 5i7 5i9 5i9 5i9 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ie 5ol 5ol 5ol 5ol 5oo 5oo 5rk 5rk 5rk 5ul

[Xinef]

Yes, definitely the darkness duo, especially since we salvage some darkness cards. The good thing is that their deck is crappy and as much as they can easily predict our deck, we can also easily predict their.
The bad thing is that we made a mistake not to make the death deck I used last round a 31 card deck, so that we could save the pharaoh.


Now, the question remains, how do we beat poisons since this is almost certainly their greatest threat. 2 upgraded Arsenics, 4 upgraded poisons and 2 unupgraded, that's what I'd expect. Luckily Shockwaves can't kill dragons in one hit, so they'll probably kill devourers or early scarabs (or 2 per dragon). We can steal Wings if he uses them, although they only block vampire stiletto, eternity or the pharaoh himself
So, the main threat are poisons and arsenics. It seems they are out of creatures, and they have a number of shields to stall while the poison kills. We can't really rely on vampire stiletto/vampires (if we salvage them) to outheal the poison, so I guess steal solves some of the problems, while dragons and scarabs do the killing.


The deck they salvage from this round:

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4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vc 4vd 4vd 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4ve 4vi 4vl 4vl 4vl 4vn 4vn 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rkThey might salvage the discords, maxwells and antimatters... 6 cards... that would be a risky move for death, although devourers, steals and possibly eternity could give me a win then...
They also have 7 other cards in their vault... we might look at their decks that won in the previous rounds to look for any cards that appeared, but weren't lost in the next rounds.

[edunavas]

This is the deck we will salvage from:

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As Xinef requested, these are the decks Death used on round 6 (the winning ones)

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and they salvage cards from this deck:

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4t5 58s 58s 593 593 593 593 593 593 595 595 595 595 595 595 5f0 5f0 5f0 5f3 5f3 5f3 5fa 5fa 5fa 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi 5gi
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Well, this is it, they only won 1 battle round 6

[edunavas]

Since they might not use creatures, we have to make more damage than the poison.
So no need for eternities or shields.
Maybe a combination of a lot of devourers to lack on quanta, and make dragons and pharaohs do the job.
The combination with vampire stileto and vampires maybe a good idea too.
I´m looking the Vault but dunno what exacly cards we have.
Well, Maybe a duo with aether? Only 3 fractal sucks....but with luck we can fract scarabs or dragons....they are no problem for Wings.

[Xinef]

Thanks edunavas, you're doing a great job :]

Looking at the cards, I can only see that still has 2 flying weapons in their vault, so that leaves 5 unknown cards. It seems they salvaged 2 Titanium Shields and 3 Burning Pillars from their round 6 victory that they used in the suicide deck, and 1 BB that they used in a deck that lost, although there is also a possibility that they eg. had those cards in their vault before, and salvaged eg. EQs...


As for shields, we might take one or two to block arsenics, but yeah, a steal would be a better counter. I think we are going to steal their arsenics and shields, so we can replace both dusks and stilettos with steals. (We can even steal all his pillars if he has a low-pillar start against a swarm of devourers). This way we can take 5 steals if we salvage 3 from round 7. We might also salvage 2 vampires and a drain life, which should help both with killing and with outhealing poison. The remaining problem is how to limit ourselves to 15 darkness cards. Maybe we don't need 5 steals, and could do with 3 or 4?


As for Eternity, it might be needed if they do the risky thing, and salvage antimatters and maxwell demons. If they manage to kill/AM all our dragons we are roasted. Luckily that would mean they have only 6 playable off-element cards.


As for your suggestion to take the aether duo... with only 3 Time creatures it is so extremely risky, that I'd rather take the strong and reliable deck. It stands a far better chance, and we are simply wondering how to make it even larger. The deck is crappy and it won only thanks to wings vs. no PC on entropy's side, and no airborne creatures. We have both PC and airborne, so the only problem is that MrBlonde is a general with 6 upped cards, so he might win if he is lucky with drawing a lot of poisons early and if we don't counter the arsenics.


I wonder if he tries flying arsenics or tries to use salvaged discords.

Anyway, eternity might help.

[edunavas]

We have to think as if we were MrBlond. He knows we have a Dark duo and our fire power (damage) is low.
If I were him I use 6 upped poisons, and no upped arsenics duo to steal. Use salvaged demon to kill the dragons and antimatter/chaos seed for CC, until poison make the killing. I would not use any shield to prevent steal.

Since this is the only battle  will take, I think this should be the most viable deck to use against us.

Even knowing that, I can find a way t beat a deck with rush poison and max demon.
The only way would be fractal...but as you said, with only 3 creatures we could only count with luck

Maybe the  duo we use 6 devourer to try to lack him on quanta, and steals to steal their pillars to lack even more on quanta, one vamp stileto to help heal, and a drain life to final kill. hope we can do it with the 15 limit.

[Xinef]

We can salvage Drain Life and Liquid Shadows, both capable of taking down a Maxwell's Demon or a flying Arsenic. We can also counter both with Eternity. This gives 3/4 counter Maxwell cards. We can kill AMd dragons with Drain Life or rewind them with Eternity. Hopefully though, we can prevent AMs with quanta draining.

On the other hand, if he uses the cards, his deck will be like this:
- 2 discords (unless he is afraid of steals, otherwise an abomination and a chaos seed)
- 2 Antimatters
- 2 Maxwell's Demons

- 6 poisons
- 2 arsenics
- 1 bone wall
- 15 death pendulums

Not a very threatening deck, to be honest, because it has only 2 copies of a number of key cards, is vulnerable to steals (if he takes , he can fly his weapons), and it's stalling capabilities are also limited (discords, AMs, demons and bonewall, vs. shockwaves and bonewall).

If I take 3 black dragons, 2 vampires, 1 devonian dragon and a pharaoh, he will have to decide whether to AM dragons (for a 20 dmg swing) or vampires (for a 16 dmg swing), while I can counter these with Drain Life and Eternity, or simply outrush with the remaining creatures.

And of course, when I see he has an Entropy mark, I can wait with playing dragons for a OTK if I don't draw the counter cards early enough. I'd have to soften him with weapons and scarabs though, which might take a while. Definitely stealing his pendulums would help then (6 devs + 5 steals counters 11 pendulums, while also fueling my single Drain Life )

[Dragoon]

Edit:
Looks like I was ninja'd.  : P

If I were MrBlonde, unless I already had some pretty good Entropy cards, I probably would play the Air Duo instead of the Entropy Duo.  Discord can be used against you; and 4 CC cards aren't much, especially when all four cards can be RT'd.  Air on the other hand has 7 CC cards of which only 2 can be countered.

Now with the Air deck, I'd drop the Wings since they know we have lots of airborne creatures.  Also, they know we have Steals and possibly a number of them, though we may not use them all.  So if I were MrBlonde, I'd take a lot of Permanents to out-number the Steals.  2 Arsenics to play first as bait and early Poison, then 2 EEs to replace the Arsenics.  Also a Fog Shield and then Bone Wall to take advantage of all the CC I had.  Since most decks usually only put 3 Steals in at the most, this should work out pretty well.  The extra space is filled in with more Pendulums both because they don't have any other Death cards and to help compensate for Devourers.  Because of extra quanta generation, expect all CC to target your attack creatures, not Devourers.  So something like this is what I expect:

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Now, how to counter this.  Well, I would suggest taking 4 Steals and plan on stealing all his weapons.  I doubt he'll have a bad Pendulum draw so I wouldn't bother with stealing those.  I also would strongly consider taking things that can help heal you back: Stilettos, Vampires, and Drain Life.  Stilettos are probably out because they'll quickly get replaced by stolen weapons.  But I would probably take upped Vampires.  Drain Life is nice but we lack deck space.  I'd convert all the Pillars to Pendulums.  So maybe something like this:

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5rm 5ro 5rq 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5ul 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 7qc 7t9 7t9 7t9 7td 7td
You could possibly take Obsidian Dragons instead of Black Dragons but that's probably too Darkness heavy.  However, you don't necessarily need the upgraded Steals to play them earlier.  You have an 89% chance of having 4 Darkness quantum on turn 3 so you should be good even with normal Steals.  Anyways, that's my take on it all.

[Xinef]

The deck has a lot of dark quanta production with 6 devs, 11 pends and a mark, so I'd probably take upped dragons. I also wonder if he is going to take flying weapons. He probably knows that we are left with only one Eternity and no other way to rewind, and flying two weapons would help him both increase damage output and counter steals.