Round 5

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Uah noes, so many losses D:

Round isn't up yet, but we need a lot of to build some decent decks for next round since 15 pends 15 Fractals doesn't make a deck, now...

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Bow is lost, I suggest we keep 3 RTs, ditch the rest. It has to be done.

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Although we could keep the stall alive by keeping 3 Miracles and 3 Sancts from this deck I personally prefer 6 Sundials to keep a decent in-element pool that we can then use for both UGDials and PDials.

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1 RT and 2 Hourglasses seems like best way to go, we'll lose 1 ghost but have most spares of that one of all in-element cards. Rest we can transmute/convert back. Rainbow cards are lost, yes, ALL novas GONE, but nothing we can do about it without shooting ourselves in the foot with taking too many in-element cards. Hell, some are already laughing at our lack of RTs.

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First off: we will have to do a maximum conversion of stuff to get enough quanta.

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4 Deflags, 1 Fog, 2 transmutes, 13 conversion fodder
Spoils: 1 Fog, 5 Time cards

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4 Deflags, 4 Phoenixes, 4 Fractals, 4 Lightnings, 2 Aether Pillar, 2 transmutes
Spoils: 2 Deflags, 1 Lightning, 3 Time cards

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2 Nightmares, 2 Steals, 2 Vampire Daggers, 1 Lycanthrope, 2 transmutes, 11 conversion fodder
Spoils: 1 Nightmares, 1 Steals, 1 Vampire Dagger, 3 Time cards

That's a more time cards for spoils than need be, aye, allowing us that much more off-element spoils in future rounds when something that fits our current stuff comes along.

Ideas for next round decks, regardless of opponents:
Ghostal (back and wants revenge);
PDials;
UGDials (back and wants revenge);
Ghostmare;
RoL Hope;

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Just an idea to use those Lightnings and Fractals we have spare... Lt would do good here for last Scarab + hgs.
Best used vs someone who wants to ocunter us with massive CC.

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No Frogs or Phoenixes involved, or mono time, which are definitely valid alternatives, but those depend on matchup etc.

Note: Chances of Entropy or other teams using Discord vs us have increased by 300%, all our denial counters are gone, since all 3 of them lost this round <_<
RoL Hope or mono Time deck with best chances vs denial of all these imo, and not even fond of those odds.
UGDials and Ghostmare will get plain raped by denial so let's ensure they stay faaar away from denial decks.

[PlayerOa]

Discards:
 - definitely keep 6 dials from stall
 - I want to keep three grabbies from the grabbow, so we can use grabboquake. I think we can live with 10 RTs. heprderp, I was looking at starting vault. Disregard this
 - Agree on the Pharabow, keep 2 HG and a RT

Agree with your salvage.

I've kinda lost track of spoils.. I'll look at those when (if? :P) spoils sheet is updated.

[andretimpa]

Finally the matchups:

PlayerOa vs (Hannal) they get +3 ups
TheonlyrealBeef vs (Vangelios)
S2 vs (Gen. rob77dp) we get +3 ups
PoLdeR vs (Annele) we get +3 ups
Dm1321 vs (omegareaper7)
andretimpa vs (Acsabi44) they get +3 ups

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Some thoughts based on intelligence (thanks, I'm lazy and this saves me effort :p)/available decks etc.

Entropy: sure, let's go with PDials. I vouch for extra pends instead of RTs cause we short on those and pends helps with Discords. Upgrade Boners, not Glasses.
Darkness: Toss up between Discord duo and Boner. I suggest we try and beat both, thinking RoL Hope with Light Nymph. May need some testing vs both decks, but don't know better alternatives. So Lt here.
Death: We get extra ups so yay. Toss up between Grabow and Wings deck. Grabow means Ghostmare, and Wings deck means Scarabtal. Inclined to say Scarabtal because it would be more surprising, but we really want to salvage a Grabow soon xD EDIT: actually, I'ma derp. Go with Scarabtal. I didn't pack 5 friggin' Lightnings in that deck just for the show. Up all Scarabs and the hourglasses and it should be able to compete with Grabow.
Fire: Ghostal. Definitely. They severely lack Deflags and used half them on us last round, don't see them pull that off again, and even if they try, Ghostal might be able to beat its CC with Fractal.
Earth: earth, earth... a Fire duo? :s Inclined to say Ghostmare to beat Grabow but both Wings and Discake hurts it so bad, and both are more likely.
Air: UGDials, Wings and Sanct Stall are both viable decks against us. Viable decks that get brutally murdered by UGDials :3

[PlayerOa]

Entropy: PDials, by far. They even lost DBHbow last round \o/
Darkness: Sure, RoLHope seems good.
Death: TorB and I did some testing, Ghostmare is a bad choice. Might go with Scarabtal - nothing risky to lose, anyway
Fire: Why not. We did beat Mono Fire with deflags in R1.
Earth: Seems interesting, something like this?

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Air: I agree.


Anyone else, thoughts?

[TheonlyrealBeef]

Now for the actual cards in them:

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Earth duo still needs tweaking, put available time cards in pad underneath matchups.

Some tweaks to ensure that deck even has quanta and that we have enough hgs:

• -1 HG -1 pend for UGDials, +2 RT Gonna hafta stall a slight bit more (RTs) and draw less (1 HG less) to get enough quanta;
• Full Marks for PDials to free an additional Factory.
• Replaced Time permanents with RTs in RoL Hope to free up all the required HGs. They'd probably get stolen anyway...
• Replaced an Eternity and a Time Factory in Ghostal with an RT and an additional Dim.
• Replaced 4 Time pends with 2 Time factories an Aether Pend and an Aether Pillar in Scarabtal to free up 2 additional in-element quanta generators. 1 quanta generator at start and you're probably screwed either way: regardless of whether it's time or aether quanta.

Still only 9 pillars/pends left... :x
Last tweak I see possible -if need be- is +1-2 Factory -2-4 pends +1-2 Aether Pillar in Ghostal.
Duo will need at least 3 Factories, but can easily change conversion to support more.