Round 2 - Decks

[valuka]

The deck:

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[Dragoon]

Okay, so this is what we have (not much)

Xinef: already taken care of

brion

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valuka

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5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rk 5rm 5rm 5rm 5t2 5t2 5t2 5ul 5ul 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5up 5ur 5ur
edunavas

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592 593 593 593 593 593 593 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rm 5rm 5rm 5rm 5rm 5rm 5ro 5rs 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2More EQs to stop both Miracles and Fire production.  Still a Time QI of 5.1.

Everybody else including me, no idea . . .

[Xinef]

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[Dragoon]

So here's the deck I'm thinking about using against Life.  Kind of limited with the cards we have in the vault, but I think this might be good enough.

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4vh 4vh 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 4vj 5f6 5f6 5f6 5oi 5oi 5oi 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rm 5rm 5rm 5ro 6u5 6u5 6u5 61qWhat I'm not sure about is the 4 weapons and 3 FW, particularly the Eternity.  I might be better off with RTs instead.  It works well against AI3.  We'll see if it works against Life.

And for the final Aether counter, we talked about a Phase Shield stall.  The problem is we don't have another set of Sundials.  We've used them all up in the other Aether counters.  : P

So we either have to go with only 18 turns of blocking and hope to deck them out or something else.  Xinef and I also talked about Fire rush.  RoF would be nice, but it's too expensive and we need the attack since we can't use Dragons (see next paragraph).

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So yeah, we have vault restriction problems.  Here's the list of cards we have for decks:
16 RT
22 Time Dragons
50 Time Pendulums
36 Factories
6 Deja Vus
4 Eternity
4 Procrastination
2 Golden Hourglasses
12 Sundial
5 Dune Scorpions
1 Pharaoh
15 EQ
12 Graboids
1 EA
2 Lycans
6 Novas
6 Deflags
6 Immolations
2 Lava Golems
4 Phoenix
3 Flying Weapons
3 Discords
5 Blessings
2 Miracles
6 Black Dragons
12 Devourers
6 Steals
4 Stilettos
6 Poison
4 Plague
1 Arsenic
4 Bone WallsWe are 3 Dragons over and 3 RTs over.  If we change the 2 Dusk Mantles to 2 Devonian Dragons in the Propaganda Bonus we'll only be short 1 Dragon.  We can replace one of Edunavas' Dragons to a Pharaoh.

To fix the RT usage we'll have to take out 2 RTs from Immolation's deck and replace with 1 Procrastination and 1 Factory.  Valuka's deck will have to take out 1 RT as well and replace with with Time Pendulum maybe.  Or you can take 3 RTs out from Belt's deck and replace with BB.  Btw, his deck looks a little low on quanta.  If you have time, maybe you can check it.  Hopefully everything else should be good.

[edunavas]

I think that´s no problem substitute one dragon for one pharaoh, my deck will be ok

[Dragoon]

Belt's current deck has QI of 8.4 for Time.  If we took out 1 Dragon and replaced his 3 RTs for 3 BBs, we can give edunavas his Dragon back and let valuka/Immolation keep their RTs.

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590 590 590 590 590 593 593 593 595 595 595 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rg 5rm 5rm 5rm 5rm 5rm 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2 5t2Took out 1 Graboid and added Pendulums to give Earth 5.4 QI and Time 5.3 QI.

My new deck with changes and 50% Time now!

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[edunavas]

Just one thing that came into my mind.
We are not supposed to change decks after deckbuilding phase? Cause I listed all cards  played round 1 and now i´m looking for the decks they are using in round 2, that way we can "preview" the deck they will use. Of course the vault have more cards than all the decks used.

I won´t change my deck..but it´s a good strategy...just to talk....

I´ll look all their decks and try to predict the deck my opp will use and i´ll post my prevision here before the battle. Let´s see if it work. Even if we can´t change decks after deckbuilding phase we know what kind of deck we will face.

[Xinef]

Just one thing that came into my mind.
We are not supposed to change decks after deckbuilding phase?

I think the names are quite self explanatory

So yes, decks are final now and the only advantage we could get from 'spying' is the knowledge how to play our decks.

For example when I tested my deck against different fire decks, I learned that if I face a fire entropy deck with discords, or an immolation deck, I should play offensively, preferring graboids over EQs. On the other hand if I face a bolter deck, quinted spirits, or any other pillar dependent deck EQs have priority.

[Dragoon]

So far Life has played:

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5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c4 5c4 5c5 5c5 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f4 5f6 5f6 5f6 5f7 5f7 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5fb 5gi 7dl 7n2 7n2

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5bu 5bu 5c0 5c0 5c2 5c2 5c2 5c7 5c7 5c7 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5de 5um 5um 5um 5um 5um 5up 5up 5up 5uq 5uq 5ur 5ur 5us 5us 5us 5us 5ut 5ut 5ut 5utFrom last round's decks (http://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php/topic,14780.0.html), we still have Fractal Frog/Cockatrice, Chimera+Frog/Cokatrice+Heal, Fallen Elf+Discord, Quint'd Dragon+Phase Shields, Forest Spirit+Tears+Bolts, FFQ, Adrenaline Staff/Stilleto.

The decks I'm most worried about is the Quint'd Dragons+Phase Shields and the Frog+Cockatrice+Heal deck since those are all cheap cards and he can Heal himself long enough for them to slowly whittle me down.  If I get a bad draw and don't get a Pharaoh early enough to start the Scarab spam, I could be in trouble.  And for the first deck, if I don't draw those Deflags, I could be in trouble.

[Dragoon]

Alas, I have fallen in battle.  The Life General himself came to best me.  They were close games, but in the end, his draws were just a little better than mine.

Btw Xinef, if you hadn't suggested changing those Dragons for Pharaohs I would've lost for sure.  Good call.