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Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg437740#msg437740
« on: December 12, 2011, 01:20:03 am »
Well, strategy is pretty much at a minimum by this point... but we might as well discuss it anyway.  The first game is against team Gravity.

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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg437745#msg437745
« Reply #1 on: December 12, 2011, 01:43:55 am »
Gravity's vault is 40 cards.  36/40 are known from round 9:

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55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55k 55s 55s 55s 55t 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 576 5oi 5oi 5ol 5oo 5oo 5oo 745 745 745 745 745 745 7n5 7n8 7n8 8pr


Based on their round 8 deck, which was almost identical, their other 4 cards might be from:
1x owl's eye
4x gravity pendulum

This is more than 40 cards, so they obviously converted at least one of the 5 cards above.  Knowing any more than that about their vault is virtually impossible.  The last winning deck I could find by gravity was a novabow, but that was I think round 6, and likely anything remaining from it was converted, or is useless by now anyway.

Our vault in pictorial form is the following:

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If we lose a match, we are eliminated; therefore, having more than 6 novas is completely useless, and we should convert them to pillars/pends.  It doesn't matter which we convert them to in the long run, since if we, say, convert them into 6 pillars and need more pends next time, we can just convert pillars into pends.  This conversion will leave us with 14 pillars/pends, so there should be no need to convert anything else.  Since we won't get any more cards except from salvage, we should not convert anything else, even if it seems completely useless.  (unless we need >14 pillar/pend in a deck)

Gravity's gravity/air duo should be easily beatable with poison dial.  (novabow would be an epic fail)  With explosions, we can handle any nonflying weapons, with dials we stop their chargers and flying weapons, and their wings are useful only against arsenic. 

If we win, and I really believe we will win vs gravity, we should salvage the air cards.  We could use flying arsenics in a novabow, or use wings to possibly hard counter remaining vaults.  Nightmare could be a valuable finisher, RTs prevent draws, stalling for poison and ruining flying weapon and... well you get the picture; poison dial should win it pretty easily.

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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg439103#msg439103
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2011, 01:42:31 am »
For Semifinals: Lights vault is RoL Hope from last round + a few other cards. To consider are: Dim Shields, Lobo, extra Miracle, possibly Nova stuff.

Our possibilities for the round include:
Poisondial:
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bad against Miracles, good against Lightning or Lobotomizer.

Chargerbow:
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probably the opposite though if we're not careful it could still be outrushed by Miracles + Fractal RoL + Fractal Angel or something...

Grabbow:
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not sure if this is fast enough to beat RoL/Hope, if it is it could be an incentive for them to play Dim Shields.
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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg439133#msg439133
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2011, 03:05:36 am »
If I were them, I'd be packin' a Miracle...

Ok, so let me rephrase that... 1 Miracle could save the day... do they have 2? dunno... They might be thinking that we have Grabbies but who knows... another crap shoot it looks like... So, where do we place our bets?

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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg439215#msg439215
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2011, 02:17:29 pm »
I expect them to sport both an extra miracle vs poison, and lightnings instead of lobo to counter our possible Chargers. I don't think having 2 miracles would hurt their decks that much - and although I'm not even sure they have lobos, I think lightnings would be a more flexible choice vs us, since it's great vs chargers or grabs, but also has its uses vs a poisondial.

Unless we think they'll add nova things, how about considering +1 Titan -1 Charger in the 2nd deck? An early arsenic would be nice, but after they play Hope or chain Dims it will be useless, and could be replaced with a Titan. It would be a constant dmg and immune to lobo or lightning, but prone to steal or deflag though.

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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg439382#msg439382
« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2011, 10:13:55 pm »
Cards Light has access to from round 9 wins: (some may have been converted)

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4vj 4vj 4vj 5f6 5la 5la 5li 5lk 5lk 5lk 5lm 5lm 5lm 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 622 622 622 622 63a 63a 63a 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 7jp 8pu


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4vj 4vj 595 595 5f6 5l8 5l8 5l8 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5mq 5ur 61q 61q 61q 61q 61t 61t 61t 61t 61t 6rk 7ju 7ju 7ju 7ju 7ju 7ju 7k2 7la 8pu


The deck Light used in round 10:

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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg439383#msg439383
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2011, 10:17:16 pm »
So yeah, basically we have to beat RoL/Hope that can have at least 4 Lightning Bolts.  They also can have 3 sancs and 2 miracles, 3 hopes and 4 fractals.

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Re: Round #10: Strategy https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=34718.msg439402#msg439402
« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2011, 11:38:55 pm »
Tested the Nova Chargers
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vs :light's round 10 deck
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It went pretty well, 8-2 in trainer, after an 8-0 start.
Thanks to the Hour Glasses, you generally manage to get out the Chargers pretty quickly, it's important to top deck either Arsenic to accumulate early damage that can neutralise a Sanctuary later on, Fog or Nightmare, if you don't get at least one of those early, it gets difficult, but I think it's an option.



 

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