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Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1225751#msg1225751
« on: February 29, 2016, 05:20:11 pm »
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1225814#msg1225814
« Reply #1 on: February 29, 2016, 11:19:56 pm »
Team VoteRound 1by russianspy1234
BossThe ChaosomesA Toadally Newtral Team
ArtistThe ChaosomesLeague of Shadows
CDThe ChaosomesLeague of Shadows
DB & FEThe ChaosomesAbyss Brawlers
WriterThe ChaosomesFiery-Hot Mixtape

Thoughts:
Boss:
A Toadally Newtral Team: Funky and awesome
Abyss Brawlers: Cool picture, the eyes really pop.
Leage of Shadows: Very logo like, but too boring
Fiery-Hot Mixtape: Definitely looks like it was done manually, props.
Us: We went through way too many iterations to get something right for me to not love this.
Gaia's Pride: Kinda borning

Artist:
Gaia: Ehhh.  I mean credit for not using a converter, but you don't get a vote just because you didn't use every tool available to you like most teams did.
Toad: Meh, it's just a frog.
Abyss: I like the nymph, but I feel like the title at the bottom takes away from the artistry a lot.
LoS: I didn't know I wanted full cards made with ASCII as opposed to just the art converted but damn that's clever.
Mixtape: Same as Gaia, though your art is cooler.
Chaosomes: Gotta love that pillar at night.

Card Designer:
Gaia: I feel like you stretched the idea of scientific principle, and the card itself is rubbing me the wrong way.  The card shouldn't be in time just because it's a time bomb.
Toad: An interesting way to make a strong cheap creature, though I kinda wish it did more than just not be able to have copies.
Abyss: I knew at least one team would submit the wave.  The wording on the card does not make clear that the bonus alternates, or cancels out.  I think(confirmed after reading your notes) you intended for it to alternate.  I also don't like it having the ability to stabilize.
LoS: This is a really interesting form of denial...  Or you can use it on yourself to make a rainbowish deck more efficient...  Yeah this is a good card and a decent way to represent the phenomenon.
Mixtape: You know thermodynamics basically means entropy right?  The card itself is of fairly limited use but not too bad.
Chaosomes: We made an awesome card, and stuck to the principle more than any other team.

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Gaia: The starter decks seem too consistent.  I honestly didn't look at the theme deck part too much because I thought that was going beyond the scope of the challenge.
Toad: I like the concept of rush and control options.  The decks are still too good though.
Abyss: Again I do like the concept of rush and control options for each element.  They still seem too consistent, but are more reasonably "starter like".
League of Shadows: No.  Aside from not actually providing a deck example (well maybe I can count what's visible in the last image) this basically does away with the concept of starter decks.  It's styled after a tutorial, but doesn't actually have a tutorial aspect to it.  It forces players to make irreversible decisions when they still have very limited information about the game.  Also, six copies of cards chosen?  You are just handing the newbie a totally maxed out deck.
Mixtape: If you read my reviews of the above, you see that I disagree with your core premise.  Your decks are what newbies should learn to build eventually, not what they should start with.  With your decks, every new card they get will be a disappointment because they already have the best cards in the element.  I've also played enough different card games to be able to completely disagree with you.  Almost everyone knows starter decks aren't examples of good decks, they're starter decks.  I've never seen a player show up to a Magic tournament with a starter deck, or a deck that remotely resembles one.
Chaosomes: Well, I build starter decks to be starter decks, which most others did not.

Writer:
For limericks, rhythm is really important.
Gaia: These scan really well, though I disagree with your choice to make it one long limerick instead of 3 separate ones.
Toad: None of these scan very well, syllable stress is all over the place
Abyss: #1 doesn't scan too well but is clever. #2 and #3 scan fine and I like the subject matter, though having a steam machine and then complaining about lack of creatures?
LoS: #1 scans fine with some wrangling.  #2 has 12 syllables on line 2.  #3 is awesome.  Did three separate people write these?
Mixtape: The syllable counts are a bit off, but they scan so well I didn't notice until I counted.  Same complaint as Gaia.
Us: We made 3 cool limericks, with rhythm hitting the words how it should.
« Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 02:43:12 pm by russianspy1234 »
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1226249#msg1226249
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2016, 01:55:46 pm »
are we allowed to vote for ourselves?
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1226259#msg1226259
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2016, 04:21:21 pm »
are we allowed to vote for ourselves?
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1226318#msg1226318
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2016, 08:07:30 am »
Team VoteRound 5by
BossThe ChaosomesA todally newtral team
ArtistThe ChaosomesAbyss Brawlers
CDThe ChaosomesGaias Pride
DB & FEThe ChaosomesLeague Of Shadows
WriterThe ChaosomesAbyss Brawlers

Easy pickings were Writer, Boss, and Artist. FE&DB league of shadows display made it take the cake, but for deck quality I still liked ours the best. Im pretty happy with our teams submissions compared to other teams, can't wait for future rounds. As for card designer I actually liked ours and Gaias... I wouldn't vote at all if I had to vote for 3 people (but Im pretty pestimistic when it comes to card designs in general, was rather surprised to even like 2 submissions)
« Last Edit: March 05, 2016, 10:40:41 pm by CrockettRocket »
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1226341#msg1226341
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2016, 02:42:42 pm »
Team VoteRound 5by
BossThe ChaosomesThe Chaosomes
ArtistThe ChaosomesThe Chaosomes
CDThe ChaosomesGaias Pride
DB & FEThe ChaosomesNo Vote
WriterThe ChaosomesThe Chaosomes

So a couple of these were hard to choose between. My team and todally team were right up there for boss, but between them I didnt have too tough a time choosing mine, although plus rep for them! TBC

Well the second vote does need to be for someone else, you can't vote for us twice even though we're the super best.  You also can't no vote in a category you voted for us.
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1226395#msg1226395
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2016, 09:47:11 pm »
Oh, I didn't know that was 2 votes. I was reading it as role in which Im voting for, which team Im voting from, my vote.
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Re: Round 1 - The Chaosomes- Voting Phase https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=61354.msg1226404#msg1226404
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2016, 10:59:57 pm »
Team VoteRound 1by
BossChaosToads
ArtistChaosMixtape
CDChaosAbyss
DB & FEChaosLoS
WriterChaosMixtape

I've voted on us in all roles because we are awesome (it's in our name, haters gonna hate), so here are the explanations for the other votes

Boss:
Mixtape and Gaia's looked a bit poor imo and I've seen the LoS one before (I think it was by Phys, so it's recycling). Between Abyss and Toads, the toads are looking better.

Art:
I think the fair way to vote here is on one using a generator (a.k.a. us) and one not using it. Mixtape it is.

CD:
Gaia: I don't get it how this fits the task. Sorry.
Toads: The principle is well presented, but the attack/cost ratio is ridicullous. Any air deck gets objectivelly stronger packing one copy of these. Plus, what Espithel said about SoFree rushes not needing a buff.
Abyss & LoS: that's the reason we axed using gravity waves right off the bat, everyone would be doing it.
Abyss: The principle is well represented, even though it looks cumbersome to use (and is very likely to backfire)
LoS: I fail to see the usefulness of the card or the connection with the theme.
Mixtape: Good representation of thermodynamic equilibrium, but extremelly situational. Not sure if this would be used at all.

DB/FE:
Gaia: Spoon feeding the noobs
Toads: Close to one of my suggestions in pad
Abyss: Pretty much the same as Toads, but with less tl;dr
LoS: A good way to extend the tutorial that already exists in the game, talking about deck building
Mixtape: Too strong starter decks

Writer:
not much of a contest here. Some of these were pretty bad, but Mixtape delivered.
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