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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1087561#msg1087561
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2013, 05:20:06 pm »
3 copies of the same shield or 3 copies in total?
Same shield.

I take this to mean a deck with (2) Fog and (3) Wings be legal (presuming Air to be available for the deck).  Is this accurate?
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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1087990#msg1087990
« Reply #25 on: July 20, 2013, 01:49:20 pm »
*NOTE: All shields are restricted to 3 copies per deck. No 'Other' cards allowed.

What an unusual rule !?  :o  ?_?

Typically OP things are banned such as bolts, earthquakes, nymph-tears, dim-shield. Instead, here the only ban is a limit of 3 shields per deck.
What kind of shield does it punish strongly ? Wings and Dims, for the others 3 is usually enough in a deck anyway.

Which is what the water benders would have the most trouble with, blocking their nymph-spamming.
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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088004#msg1088004
« Reply #26 on: July 20, 2013, 02:56:35 pm »
As Zso somewhat alluded to, Water starts out VERY strong compared to other styles with Earth starting out the weakest.  I'm going to give it a few rounds before I formally suggest balance changes as I did not do Avatar 1.  However, at this point it seems that balance changes (as Oni and others suggested after Avatar 1) are probably needed that didn't happen prior to #2.  Guaranteed access to superb CC, Poison without worry of being poisoned, and an extra Element to choose from?  Just wow.

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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088009#msg1088009
« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2013, 03:19:04 pm »
Last Avatar Water was deemed to be the weakest and Earth the strongest. Guess where the winner was from.

I think the main problem is that you are guaranteed to have your own element in Phase 1, which wasn't the case. So all Water people are going to spam nymphs.

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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088014#msg1088014
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2013, 04:20:15 pm »
What? 3 shields in a 42 card deck? Amazing... 

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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088561#msg1088561
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2013, 07:24:59 pm »
Just to clarify that this rule stands for Phase II also:
"A random element and mark can be the same, but you cannot use the same element and mark in the same deck (no monos)."

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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088869#msg1088869
« Reply #30 on: July 25, 2013, 02:54:05 pm »
Feedbacks:

Since we've already entered Phase 2 of R1 there shouldn't really be any more surprises in the event and the majority of the feedback I will give can
probably be given at this point. So I will.

I dislike that earth has the only elemental effect that effects what we get. I'd prefer for it to line up with what the other elements have--something that affects duels. Maybe the person with the higher earth bending cannot have non-earth soft CC used against them (RT, Anti, freeze, etc)? Idk. But to be inline with the other elements would be nice.

Another thing is that compared to water, we don't get an extra mark at the start compared to their +1 element. Others may disagree with me, but I don't equate having to have 4 less mark cards as being equal to having another element available to you at the start. So unless Earth gets a little buff, I'd like to see the marks gotten jump to 3.

A buff to earth that I'd like to see is the ability to control the max amount of mark cards we can use. Right now we can use up to 50% of our deck as cards from our mark element. I'd like to see that eventually be the max amount of mark cards you can start with, where at no earth bending you can only use 12 off element cards max/min. I'm not sure if this would be balanced or not, but considering we already affect the minimum I'd like to affect the maximum too.

Another issue is the 3 shields thing. I really dislike this rule. This rule is so bleh. It is seemingly in place to prevent 6 dims from rolling people without PC? But by doing that you're inhibiting all decks that would like 4 of a shield just to nerf dims. I'd much prefer to see it changed to something like 0-19 cards=1 shield, 20-29=2 shields, 30-39=3 shields, etc.

I'd also like to see Phase 2 become single elimination. The lower bracket can still be used to determine who doesn't get to go to the next round.
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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088920#msg1088920
« Reply #31 on: July 25, 2013, 07:37:41 pm »
Phase II is single-elimination.

Also, starting Round 2, what're you thoughts on this:

For each level of earth-bending, you can use one additional copy of a shield.

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nice! will vote for it!
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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088934#msg1088934
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I'd prefer that over what we have now.
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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088935#msg1088935
« Reply #34 on: July 25, 2013, 08:56:16 pm »
I liked Oni's idea of deck-size dependence for the shield rule, but the earth-buff solution is also welcome as earth benders really need a buff.
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Re: The 2nd Avatar - RULES https://elementscommunity.org/forum/index.php?topic=50194.msg1088949#msg1088949
« Reply #35 on: July 25, 2013, 11:16:12 pm »
Phase II is single-elimination.

Also, starting Round 2, what're you thoughts on this:

For each level of earth-bending, you can use one additional copy of a shield.

I approve of this - Earth is a defensive-minded element by design.
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